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Regarding the Gunnerkrigg Court entry, this might just be me, but I never really got the sense Jones and Englemore's relationship was romantic, as such, although it might look like that from the outside. The only other person we've seen her help raise AFAIK is Samuel Langdon in "The Stone", and there's even less sign of a romantic relationship there (we skip from her accepting a job as his governess to being presented as his "long-lost" daughter when he's an old man). While Jones's claim to not have emotions is clearly bunk, I'm not sure she has, or believes she has, the capacity for a romantic relationship, and I'm even less sure if she has the capacity for a physical one.
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There's an Axis Powers Hetalia entry in both the Anime section and the fanfiction section, but I don't see why the entries for the latter shouldn't be under the former instead; should they be combined?
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Rumiko Takashahi does in fact acknowledge Rin as Sesshomaru's wife in a Q&A for Shonen Super Sunday promoting Yashahime:
"Q2: I was surprised that Lord Sesshomaru, who hated half-demons so much, would have half-demon children. What kind of change did Lord Sesshomaru go through? Did it change when he met the woman who became his wife? - Miishashoshan
Rumiko Takahashi: I think Sesshomaru grew and changed without knowing by interacting with various other people. Also by becoming a little more mature and accepting a new way of life unbound by his past self who despised "human beings". Of course it can also be said that the influence of the woman who became his wife is quite a big part of his development.
- (Source: https://www.furinkan.com/takahashi/takahashi29.html
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Rumiko Takahashi also drew Sesshomaru and Rin as a family in a promotion for Yashahime. This is the Cover Illustration Of Shounen Sunday S issue 1/2022 By Rumiko Takahashi - https://twitter.com/rumicworld1010/status/1463704860910829569
Also, recently in Yashahime's manga which is written by Shiina Takashi but monitored by Rumiko, she approved of a love scene between sesshomaru & rin in the manga saying "It's good. I think the fans will be happy"- https://cnanews.asablo.jp/blog/2022/11/27/9544029
It sure doesn't seem like Rumiko Takahashi disapproves of Sesshomaru and Rin's relationship as others claim to be the case in this thread. If she disapproves it, in my opinion, its rather strange for her to acknowledge Sesshomaru and Rin as husband and wife, promote them as a family and then allow Shiina Takashi to write a love scene between them in Yashahime's manga all a while stating that it's good and that fans will be happy. Rumiko could have easily declined as she has declined so many other projects, but she didn't. Cleary she doesn't mind. Canon or not. And as far as "Hogosha", it does in fact have several meanings as a guardian, protector or patron as others have pointed out: ( Source:
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary?query=hogosha)
Whether or not you think Rumiko used "Hogosha" in a parental context. The fact reminds that the word does indeed has several meanings and defintions. This is just a fact. No one knows what context she used the word as we are not in her mind. She could have meant that Sesshomaru is a protector, guardian or any of the other meanings. And Hogosha doesn't just apply to someone protecting a child as anyone can be an Hogosha. The root word "Hogo (保護)" means to protect, preserve, safeguard, while the compound word "Sha ( 者 ) means person. Hogosha literally means someone/a person who protects. Those who view Sesshomaru and Rin relationship as familial, that is fine as many do, but let's not turn the word Hogosha to only having one meaning. To be honest, I wish Rumiko would further clarify regarding the context in which she meant by to put away the debate.
Also regarding Ken Narita, I see some cherry picking of his statements. This is what Ken Narita said about Sesshomaru and Rin's relationship in Animage's March 2022 issue : " To Sesshōmaru, Rin is probably “heart”. That was likely the moment when Sesshōmaru embraced the heart that he had been denying. Like, this is what I need, nothing can replace it. I think it’s most likely that he was also in denial about his own parents somehow. However, with meeting Rin, he came to realized he is his parents’ child after all. It’s also because of that that he’s able to interact with the girls. I think that scene with Rin was surely a manifestation of that."- Ken Narita ( Source:
https://ayuuria.tumblr.com/post/676036240008708096/please-do-not-repost-this-translation-without-my )
He said that Rin is Sesshomaru's heart and nothing can replace it most recently.
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Words have different meanings and it is the content that matter. Like the word "mine". This could be "That is mine" or "They are working in a mine". "hashi" for an example in Japanese could mean "chopsticks" or "bridge".
We are having this problem on Wife Husbandry with "Hogosha".
For the anime Yashahime Princess Half Demon, in this interview
https://href.li/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWjUWSltdds Rumiko Takahashi said hogosha but she does not mean it as parental figure or legal guardian. There is no canon evidence of that type of relationship. While hogosha could mean parent, it is taking it out-of-content of what RT meant and does not align with canon facts. She meant protector like a guard, not a parent making the sentences not make sense. In addition, it is making canon not make sense. Rumiko says "In my heart, Sesshomaru is the protector, and (to let Rin) choose between the trial period of the human world, and the monster world. If he comes too frequently, then... it should be restricted to some extent." If she meant father/parent-figure then there would be no restrictions. In content and in canon the argument parent/legal guardian argument fails apart.
People are adding this on here by changing her meaning and deliberately omitting the rest. It is not impossible for a father and daughter relationship. Sesshomaru did not raise her. She only travelled with him for a few months before he left her with Keade and he barely seen her. Interviews with Sesshomaru's voice actor, Ken Narita, has been in support of this relationship.
https://nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/49439/hogosha
Here Hogosha means: guardian; protector; patron
What is not listed: Parent, legal guardian
https://jisho.org/word/BF%9DADE8%80%85
Here Hogosha means: . guardian; protector; patron; parent
https://www.japandict.com/BF%9DADE8%80%85?lang=eng
Here Hogosha means: guardian, protector, patron, parent
Another reference of Hogosha
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1291150/characters/nm0424216
Leonardo : All these years you told us we were rescued from the fire by a great guardian spirit, a hogosha.
Splinter : That's right.
[points at April]
Splinter : This is the hogosha.
[all the Turtles bow to April]
Michelangelo : [whispers] Dude, my girlfriend is the hogosha...
[Leo hits him]
This relationship is not this trope. He did not raise her and people need to read the note. The Note:
Note: A child simply meeting an adult and then them moving on to a romantic relationship when both are adults is not this trope, nor is it for teacher/student relationships that become romantic. The adult must actually raise the child as their legal guardian.
They meet after October 1996 and he left her with Kaede for 10 days in mid March 1997 before he left her there permanently. Then he barely seen her see the quote from RT at the beginning of this post. Rin simply meet Sesshomaru and then they moved to a romantic relationship when they were both adults which is clearly said not this trope and he didn't raise her and he was not her legal guardian. Kaede was her legal guardian.
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Additional information: The interview with Sesshomaru's voice actor, Ken Narita, he is how does he perceive Sesshomaru and Rin's relationship. He starts off with if Sesshomaru would get marry to someone it would be Rin. Then he start thinking love is for the marriage and Sesshomaru wouldnt look at Rin like that (since he is a youkai, not a human). This is where he said say he was a like a guardian and that would want to act like a human by having sexual intercourse with a living creature to see if he liked it. It is a grey and not a black and white matter. Something about aiming for a sweet spot. I am going to translate myself later on.
He is taking into considering, he is was a youkai and not a human. Maybe Ken forgot Toga fell in love with Izayoi or other youkai that did fall in love. Or simply he didn't think Sesshomaru was capable of that of love. However, he is supporting their relationship and it is only Rin he would chose. He is using Hogosha as protector and not as parent or legal guardian. He is not using hogosha as parent or legal guardian here. Just think about what he is trying to say.
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1) ...A TMNT movie, a move made by Americans, not written to cater to the Japanese-speaking crowd, that's not supposed to be educational, is not a legitimate source.
2) There are literally other Japanese words for "guardian/protector" that DON'T involve being a parental guardian. If you go to Japan and ask someone what "hogosha" means, they WILL tell you it refers to parental guardian. Even all the examples of definitions for "hogosha" you listed involve parent and legal guardian. Rumiko and Ken Narita are native Japanese people/speakers, so if they didn't mean to call Sesshomaru a parental figure, then they BOTH wouldn't have used a word that means "parental guardian" and is in fact used by schools for their parent teacher meetings.
And parents let their children "choose their own worlds" (i.e. decide the life they want to live) and they would "restrict" themselves (even though Sesshomaru still visits Rin from time to time to give her gifts) as to not be overbearing so their child can make their own choices.
3) Ken Narita is the not the big supporter of Sessrin that some people may think. He outright said that Rin was an experiment and that he wouldn't feel romantic love for her and he was surprised that Rin was the mother, saying it wasn't like him.
The comment replying to mine is very biased and my comment still debunks many points from that comment. 1. While Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014) was USA that was very biased to say when it shows prove along with RT and Ken Narita Comment. You can find Japanese sources. it is a legitimate source. Like it or not. This was irrelevant. 2. This was irrelevant and ignores how words work as my first part of my first comment points out. This is a biased comment that is trying to enforce their viewpoint when canon and content does not. Not all examples involve parent or legal guardian, see the first one. Legal guardian is in none. Please state the truth. Also ";" means a new meaning. guardian is not the same as legal guardian. I am a native English Speaker? An Native Japanese speaker? Hogosha does not mean parental guardian, no Japanese dictionary defines it as such. I debunked that in my first comment. Neither one Rumiko or Ken Narita called Sesshomaru a parental figure. Japanese do not see Sesshomaru and Rin as father and daughter. They never had. They are shocked when they hear people think they are father and daughter. The legitimate view is just a protector for a few months. He was not a father, he did not raise her, he was not a parental guardian. Kaede was the parental guardian. When she was adult she married Sesshomaru. Read the note: This is not wifehushandry. The legitimate view of Hogosha for Sesshomaru and Rin is just protector, not parental.
3. From what I know Ken Narita is a big supporter and to say Rin is a experiment is taken his message a bit out of context for biases. This is not what I read and I not going to read that website. I will however find the source in Japanese and read the Japanese. That is from wordpress and I don't know who translated that and if it is from an antisessrin they will take it out-of-content and change things as seen in the last comment to me and now I will not directly talk to that person to avoid drama as they are making the same points I debunked.
None of what you've said has debunked any points. A TMNT movie isn't a source and it doesn't prove what you're claiming. A TMNT movie isn't a reliable source for Japanese language as it is not written to cater to the Japanese-speaking crowd, not written by a native Japanese speaker, and is not an educational material.
And while I stand by my point that TMNT is not educational material, even in the context the movie used the word hogosha, it's a sort of a Genius Bonus. Hogosha means "parental guardian" and the turtles were explicitly referred to by April as her childhood pets which she looked after and she later describes them as her family.
You claim that I'm ignoring how words work, but you are purposefully ignoring that there are other words that mean "protector/guardian" without being a parental guardian. Hogosha means parental/legal guardian and is used by schools for parent/teacher meetings.
That is a link to an informational poster (about giving consent to use the Pfizer vaccine) that uses "hogosha" since "hogosha" means "person acting in place of parent/legal guardian"
https://okurukotoba.tokyo/archives/3352
And THAT is a link regarding parental guardians and parents and the word "hogosha" is used to describe "parental guardians" (though it can be used interchangeably for both terms).
"Japanese do not see Sesshomaru and Rin as father and daughter."
If you mean to say that Japanese fans of Inuyasha/Yashahime don't see Sesshomaru and Rin, then that is incorrect as Japanese reviews of Yashahime have expressed views of Sesshomaru being Rin's parental figure. Once again, you are ignoring how there are other words in Japanese for protector/guardian that don't mean parental guardian. If Rumiko and Ken Narita didn't see Sesshomaru as a parental guardian, they would've used a different word that didn't mean parental guardian. Neither Rumiko nor Ken Narita have expressed shock that people see Sesshomaru and Rin as father and daughter. Kaede being a parental guardian for Rin doesn't mean that Sesshomaru wasn't ALSO one for Rin during the time they traveled together.
Ken Narita has said more than once that he views Sesshomaru having Rin as a wife to be an experiment of sorts (along with having kids). Nothing has been taken out of context, it's simply what he said and any source you find will say the same thing.
Nothing has been taken out of context or changed and you haven't debunked anything. You have been deliberately ignoring points without actually refuting anything.
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Now this user is attacking me. I have debunked points. It is irrelveant and biased want is said on the TMNT as it only backups the two quotes. As I said you can find many Japanese reference of this word not meaning parent. In the movie, I believe April only saved them. Sometimes they are childhood pets and Michelangelo is saying girlfriend in the quotes as they just meet. I am not ignoring anything. Hogosha does not mean parental guardian. Hogosha COULD mean parental/legal guardian but it could mean just protector or just patron. I have said it could mean it but not in this content. Rumiko and Ken Narita did not mean it as parent or legal guardian. I already debunked that. Bring in cases where Hogosho does mean parent does nothing here. Japanese have never seen Sesshomaru and Rin as father and daughter. That is why the Drama CD happen and yashahime. I am not talking to this person and this person can only attack me by saying I ignoring what they believe are true. I know different. Hogosha does not mean parental guardian. It could mean parent but it could mean different words. It takes understand Japanese and grammar to understand. Either sentence made sentence using parental guardian. Rumiko and Ken Narita did not mean parental guardian. Sesshomaru was never referred to as a parent or a legal guardian or a guardian during the main series. You will find master/servant or companions. I know Rumiko rewrote the story because Sessrins or Sesshomaru would had died. I am not sure about her being shocked or Ken on that matter. However, that is irrelevant here. I am reading more about Ken's interviews I know he gets into character and knows his character but I wonder how much time does he analyze his character. However, that is also irrelevant here. What his is meaning is taken out of context. I wished people will not change the narrative.
Yes things have been taken out of context, things have been changed. Canon facts and definitions debunked things. I have not deliberately ignored anything. Canon facts refutes this. The real canon stands. Sesshomaru and Rin relationship is not wife husbandry. Zero canon evidence.
I simply searched '保護者 anime" and I am not going to look into this game but this game is called Hogosha gari (Guardian hunting) definitely not parental hunting. It is an adult hentai game. Which is reliable source for Japanese language as it is written to cater to the Japanese-speaking crowd, written by a native Japanese speaker. Showing Hogosha does not mean parental guardian. While it could mean parent it is only when it is in context and it is not in context here with this game, Rumiko's quote, or Ken's quote.
https://www.animecharactersdatabase.com/animeone.php?id=105495
This games blows this whole ridiculous argument out of the water.
Someone refuting the things you've said isn't attacking you.
You say you've debunked points, but you haven't debunked a single thing. You say you're not ignoring anything, but you've been doing that repeatedly. The only one taking things out of context and trying to change the narrative is you. I've provided actual sources to hogosha being used for parental guardians (and how it is interchangeable with parent), but you choose to ignore them. I gave legitimate proof and an actual informative article that "hogosha" means parental figure and pointed out the basic fact that there are other words that mean guardian/protector without being a parental guardian and if Rumiko and Ken Narita didn't want to refer to Sesshomaru as a parental guardian, they would have used those other words, but you chose to disregard that while claiming you're not.
The real canon is that Sesshomaru looked after Rin in the original series the way a parental guardian would look after a child, something furthur proven by Rumiko, the creator of the series and a native Japanese speaker, when she referred to Sesshomaru with the word meaning parental guardian, a word used in parental consent forms, parent-teacher meetings, and articles regarding parents and parental guardians like the one I provided. Whenever "hogosha" is used, the words protector and patron are used in the parental context, referring to someone protecting and providing for a child the way a parent would.
Even the things you've brought to "debunk" what I've said keep proving that "hogosha" means parental guardian.
In the TMNT movie, the turtles were explicitly referred to as April's childhood pets. Meaning she didn't just save them, she also took care of them. While Michelangelo had a crush on April, she didn't reciprocate and she later describes them as her family.
Unlike you, I actually bothered to look into the hentai game you honestly thought was going to help your case. You thought that the game wasn't about parental hunting, but that's precisely what the plot was about.
The game is about a teacher who meets with the parents and parental guardians of his students for counseling, but only so he can have sex with them. In the game, the word "hogosha" refers to parental guardian and is used interchangeably with parent just as I, as well as the sources I linked before, have stated is done in real life. So the game really is about "guardian hunting" as the main character is "hunting" for parents and parental guardians so he can have sex with them.
To all I should had put "attacking" or falsely accusing me.
I have debunked the hogosha claim being parental guardian. I have debunked Hogosha only meaning parent as it could mean other things. I have debunked Rumiko and Ken Narita meaning it has parent or legal guardian. To say I have not debunked it dishonesty. To say I am ignoring something such as hogosha could mean parent is dishonesty since I said that in my first comment. To say I have been doing that repeatedly shows my comments have not been read and the "attack" on me because someone's interpretation is wrong because they hate the ship and only trying to make it look wrong when the canon does not support it.
To say I am taking things out of context and trying to change the narrative is dishonesty and the "attack" on me. I have not taken anything out of content. Shame on this person I have no even spoke to that keeps taking things out of context and trying to change the narrative. Hogosha does not mean parental guardian. Rumiko and Ken Narita used Hogosha and it didn't refer to Sesshomaru as a parental guardian and no they would have used those other words,. Please learn how Japanese and words work. Example: ronin if we are talking about 47 Ronin we are not talking about the high school graduate meaning and that is what is happening here. https://jisho.org/search/ronin Ronin is 1.ronin; masterless samurai and maybe 3 or/and 4. 5 just goes into detail about 1. There is no way 47 Ronin is about number 2. There is no way parent or legal guardian describes Sesshomaru and Rin's relationship in the canon base. It is headcanon, a false interpretation.
The real canon is that Rin followed after Sesshomaru for about 5 months with Jaken watching over as a parent would as Sesshomaru was a protector and then was left with Kaede. Sesshomaru was never a parental guardian, it is head canon and not an Asian view. Rumiko never proven it by using hogosha when the word is taking out of context and does not even mean parental guardian. She only meant it like protector.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_(2014_film) In this movie, April only saved them. They were not explicitly referred to as April's childhood pets. Meaning she just save them, she didn't took care of them. "While Michelangelo had a crush on April, she didn't reciprocate and she later describes them as her family." Is irrelevant.
"Unlike you, I actually bothered to look into the hentai game you honestly thought was going to help your case." This is "attacking" "You thought that the game wasn't about parental hunting, but that's precisely what the plot was about." No. it's not.
In guardian hunting there are three female characters and one is a 18 year old with no experience. The other two are married teachers. Hogosha does not mean parental guardian. This does support me because it's a teacher who has not been raised or anything by the guardian/parents that he is hunting. It does support me because it shows it is used in different ways. This is not a boy being raised by these teachers and he is now hunting them.
Rin meet Sesshomaru. Rin follows Sesshomaru. Jaken takes care of Rin NOT Sesshomaru. Jaken is the Parental figure. The staff has said so and watching the anime or reading the manga it is clear. Sesshomaru is aloof. In the five months they traveled together it is headcanon to say Sesshomaru was a father figure or legal guardian. It is a false interpretation that needs to be let go instead of having false lies spread about it. I am going to asking the troops about this since I have politely declined a conversation with this person and still get falsely accused or "attacked" because their interpretation is wrong on this series. This hate needs to stop. It is ridiculous.
Years ago I talked to someone on here (a different user name) and we agree Celine Dion and Rene Angelil are not this trope and we removed it. I just removed it again. Rene never raised Celine.
Wife Husbandry Note: A child simply meeting an adult and then them moving on to a romantic relationship when both are adults is not this trope, nor is it for teacher/student relationships that become romantic. The adult must actually raise the child as their legal guardian.
However, there are many more examples that are not Wifehusbandry on the page. If it is okay, I will keep editing this page when I have time.
What would a child simply meeting an adult and then them moving on to a romantic relationship when both adults be called? This would be Celine Dion and Rene.
Does Frank N Furter from Rocky Horror count? He makes a Frankenstein's Monster and has sex with it shortly after it's born.
Asoiaf's Daenerys and Jorah isn't an example. They don't even meet until she enters her marriage with Drogo. Moreover Jorah is always her servant, never a father figure.
Does any one know if a relationship like this, in the non manipulative way, has ever been delt with in court? I mean, is there any thing illegal about it? Assuming the two people are an appropriate age. Does any one have any real life knowledge about a case involving the law?
I'm not sure the The Sims 2 example works, because I can't think of way a player could do that without using hacks/cheats (there's no way to remove a child Sim from a household without having him or her taken from the Social Worker, to my knowledge. And then the only way to add a child to the new family is to adopt them, which creates new family associations. Therefore, to the game they'd have a parent/child relationship, and in the game you can't marry off two Sims who see each other as family).
I'm a little confused on why this says anything about this concept being creepy. I thought part of the rules on this site stated that we aren't supposed to insert our personal opinions into these articles? So therefore saying that it is "creepy" would be biased. If they said people consider it creepy then it's okay since it's showing a general reaction, but it seems as if whoever wrote this seemed to do it out of spite?
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Unlike wikipedia, we are not required to be neutral. We are snarky, hang lampshades on things, and we're allowed to call things creepy.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Yeah, we aren't neutral on anything like rape or child abuse, so there's no reason we should on this since it's related to both of those two things since it's about emotional manipulation. For non manipulative situations we have May–December Romance.
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I knew of a situation like this in real life in college. Girl was dating this older guy she had known since she was 9 years old. She broke up with him soon after starting college though (I didn't do it! alas...) and yes, it was VERY creepy!!! Oh yeah, he was an eye doctor and she had been one of his patients. CREEPY!
Actually, this trope says it's about someone who had a protective role towards the woman when she was a child. Being "related" to rape and child abuse? Sure, in some cases it is, but you are painting a very broad brush here. Just because some (or even most) cases you know of are bad does not make them all that way. If Bob had a honest, clean protective role for Alice, then doesn't see her for 20 years, they run into each other and she decides after dating dozens of men none of them were as good a human as Bob, exactly how is this bad? Next you are going to say that because Charlie was Dora's boss 10 years ago when they were at that time employed by the same company that dating her now is sexual harassment?
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Thing is, this is usually a deliberate ploy. Which is far more creepy.
What's precedent ever done for us?
It isn't always, though. And while I get that these descriptions are allowed to be more subjective than the same article on an ordinary Wiki, I've never come across another entry that's as spiteful and biased. Some of these examples are creepy, and some of them aren't, and I just don't see the need for such heavy-handed wording in the description.
Archie Kennedy, Unprovoked: "Your men look very fine, Major. Almost too good for battle."
I agree, I cannot see this as automatically being creepy. I know several lasting (now over thirty years) marriages out of similar situations, which really aren't rare, and they are happy, healthy and sane. What is said here is indeed rather judgemental and one-sided.
Yeah, I agree as well— not inherently creepy, though it can go that way.
Agree too. Seems to be a rather negative description and then examples where the man has no ill-intent.
Either the trope definition needs adjusting to emphasisise the 'grooming' aspect of husbandry and the examples adjusted appropriately, or the judgemental tone should be toned down.
While cleaning up the wicks for lolicon(now a character type), I uncovered the following example I was unable to properly reword:
- In the post-Apocalypse novel Malevil, Emmanuel is torn on his precise relationship with fourteen year old Evelyne. He is trying to raise her as best he can, for her sake and the future of mankind, but he realizes that their relationship is not entirely adopted father/daughter and borders on Lolicon. He recognizes his Dirty Old Man habits and understands that if Evelyne grows to be beautiful then he has most likely raised a bride for himself.
shimaspawn took care of it.
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
Ok, I need help: What the HELL movie am I thinking of? I caught this really good old movie on TCM at like 1 in the morning a few months ago about a man who falls in love with his ward in like the 1920's. It's a May-December romance because it's played as being very sweet: the actors were apparently a couple in real life and wanted it to be played as being a good thing. It's never been released on DVD...I can't remember the title or the actors!
According to the discussion archive on the old title (Hikaru Genji Plan), it is from a 1950 children's book called A Girl and her Daddy.
"Proto-Indo-European makes the damnedest words related. It's great. It's the Kevin Bacon of etymology." ~Madrugada
It looks like more of an example of Father, I Want to Marry My Brother to me.
Pulled out the Aoshi/Misao example. Please, please do not re-add it. It is not this trope: 1) Aoshi was her favorite, but he was not her caretaker. 2) Misao's attraction to Aoshi was always present 3) Whether he returns her romantic feelings is open to interpretation 4) There is zero emotional manipulation involved in creating their relationship — whatever that relationship might be.
Do not list the Dresden Files as an example. First of all, it's Teacher/Student Romance. Second of all, nothing happens. It's just Hot for Teacher. She's not being raised by him. It's not this trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I was just wondering if there's a separate page for "non"-manipulative "Wife Husbandry"? Err, what I mean is, is there a page on TV Tropes that deals with the same lolicon/shotacon issue, but not with the "person in position of authority deliberately molds the young person into becoming a suitable spouse"?? Because it seems like there should be.
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I'm more familiar with the trope involving an adopted child (often a girl) being married to the guardian's biological child (often a son), often because the bio child is the guardian's heir. That is, the child is raised to be the guardian's in-law, not wife. The Chinese used to do this.
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