Discussion Main / SupernaturallyValidatedTransPerson

The way Magne's powers work is that she makes other people effectively magnetically charged based on their gender, with men repelling men and attracting women, and women repelling women and attracting men. She cannot affect herself with her power, so we never see if the people she hits are attracted or repelled to her. We also never see her use it on another trans character, Tiger of the Wild Wild Pussycats, so it is currently unknown how her power would work on trans people, including nonbinary people.

Edit for further clarification: basically, her power isn't to attract/repel people based on their gender, it's to turn people into magnets with a North or South charge dependjng on their gender, and she can't turn herself into a magnet in this way.

The wording used is a fairly typical rallying cry for trans rights. Even if someone were to feel that declaring a trans person an unambiguous member of their gender was controversial, I think the quote marks make it clear that it's an assumption of the trope, rather than an opinion the wiki holds.

> I think the quote marks make it clear that it's an assumption of the trope, rather than an opinion the wiki holds.

This wording seems to strongly indicate that it's the wiki's viewpoint, not the trope's:

"One of the most basic things to acknowledge about transgender rights is the simple fact that people are the gender they say they are. A lot of Trans Tribulations come about from characters (or in the worst cases, the narrative itself) refusing to acknowledge this. While society has largely begun to accept trans people, to the point where a character who deliberately misgenders someone is far more likely than not to be unsympathetic (and yeah, it's a low bar, but it's progress),"

I Cross Wicked the example from the film page (didn't actually write it all, just added one part). However, checking the trope description along with the examples I think that you're right, it doesn't count as a straight example. It might still be subverted though. To clarify for you and anyone else who's seen it, they can tell somehow that Laurel is transgender just at a glance (it's never explained how). Most however accept her as a woman with no hesitation. I don't think said acceptance is directly related to their supernatural perception or whatever though, as Vlad isn't exactly affirming (he says something like "Well, I suppose it is the modern era" on seeing she's a part of an all-female vampire group-kind of vague). I don't think that really counts.

That's fair! Life is keeping me from having a chance to watch it, but we seem to be on the same page, so I'll defer to you on whether it's an example.

Okay, cool. I think it isn't, go ahead and remove this if you like.

Fair enough; removed.

I'd request a revert on Ask The Tropers just on the grounds of a) the edit reason is a clear falsehood and b) misgendering a character is against the rules.

Reverted back the Sabrina example; it was a failed attempt to clarify which character transitioned, but the rest of the example text is enough. And I never misgendered the character; if I was intent on calling him a woman, I would have changed "him" to "her".

(As for the implication that I'm trying to erase non-binary people... no, I'm trying to simplify the description. "The concept that people are the gender they say they are" means the same as the previous wording.)

I think it's happened maybe once or twice?

As long as it's curated, I think it'll be fine.

I've been thinking that, but so far the only inversions have been fairly deliberate cases of elements in the narrative being wrong (e.g. The Sandman averts the trope, then plays it straight, establishing the previous aversion wasn't all that omnipotent; Magical Boy appears to invert it, but only - from what I can tell - make a point of playing it straight later).

Yeah, I realize it's a fine line. Those are two examples that I think play with it enough to be worth keeping.

This example: "Poor Kade in the Wayward Children series gets hit by a negative version of this. He is taken to Fairyland by a group of The Fair Folk who are all about kidnapping little girls. He becomes a hero there, and slays the Goblin King who, with his last breath, recognizes Kade as a boy and names him his heir. Unfortunately, this causes the fairies to realize they accidentally kidnapped a boy, and they unceremoniously kick him back to Earth (and back to his transphobic family) never to return."

Just seems like a trans girl getting shit on and I don't think it fit here.

Is it? The way I read that example was a trans boy getting recognised as a boy (which causes the targetting of him because he was mistaken for a girl to be reversed). I'm not familiar with the source, though.

EDIT: Yep, I've checked the page. It seems that Kade is a trans boy (the book's premise is that all the characters were kidnapped to another world, then returned for some reason or another), and was indeed subject to this trope.

OK, thanks for clearing that up. The phrasing was unclear to me, and I guess I was too ready for things to be terrible. My apologies.

I don't believe Ash's situation applies here. I haven't read the comic to the end, but at least for the first few years Ash continues to identify as male. So his case is Supernaturally I Nvalidated.

I don't think becoming a zombie does anything to confirm she's a girl (I'm only familiar with the show from the news it has a trans character, so I might be wrong about this), so that probably wouldn't fit the trope.

It'd only count if it's specified that only girls can be zombies in that show.

Basically.

You can hide/unhide spoiler text by clicking on it; I'll admit notes inside spoilers aren't ideal because of this, but you can get around it by clicking somewhere in the spoiler that isn't on the note itself.

It took me about 50 clicks before I finally hit just the right spot to open the note. That's a really bad setup.

Yeah, we're basically in the middle of a beta test that had to be rushed out before google pulled the ads (or so the mods say).

I don't think it would count because there's no element of it which confirms a trans character is the gender the present as (seeing as the PC's a blank slate, with no canon gender anyway).

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