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PatBerry
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02:30:57 AM Sep 20th 2013
The following example seems highly questionable:
  • Space marines make a brief appearance in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and are never mentioned again.
The troops in question are referred to only as a "strike team." The phrase "space marines" is not used in dialogue, and no actor or extra is credited as playing a marine. Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) does not have an article for Starfleet Marines, and a search on that site for the word "marines" does not turn up any references to space marines or Starfleet Marines. I can only conclude that space marines do not exist in the Star Trek canon.
PatBerry
12:17:33 AM Jan 15th 2014
No one has offered any support for this "example," so I am deleting it.
PatBerry
topic
02:18:20 AM Sep 20th 2013
edited by 75.182.67.118
Removed the following example because it's completely bogus.
  • The mysterious black-clad Starfleet Marines assist the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine crew in thwarting the Dominion in several episodes.
I've seen every episode of DS9 and can't recall anything even vaguely resembling this. A search of Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) turns up no occurrences of the phrase "Starfleet Marines." A search for just the word "marines" also finds nothing relevant. A Google search locates numerous references to Starfleet Marines, but all are from non-canon sources.
Greener223224
topic
09:54:47 AM Aug 15th 2013
Why doesn't Firefly count as Space Marines?
PatBerry
01:54:42 AM Sep 20th 2013
Because it's about a group of civilians on board a cargo vessel.
Larkmarn
06:45:33 AM Sep 20th 2013
I think he meant the purple bellies.
shingen012
topic
08:00:37 PM Dec 28th 2012
edited by shingen012
Should a new trope or subtrope be added say like "Space Ranger" where those whom would fit into the space marine archetype but are part of a different military branch would be classified? I.E. The Master Chief from Halo fits the general idea of a space marine but he himself is in the NAVY, or Buzz Lightyear: powered armor, has a did a drop from space in his cartoon, part of a military structure that is not the marines.
Kadorhal
topic
10:48:45 AM Jan 15th 2012
So the page image seems to now just show "No hotlinked images, please."
CrypticMirror
11:20:09 AM Jan 15th 2012
edited by CrypticMirror
someone replaced the image pickin decided one with a hotlinked image. have reverted and raised on Ask The Tropers
Falco
topic
12:08:53 AM Dec 2nd 2011
Anyone else think page quote is kinda crap since it really seems to have nothing to do with Space Marines unless you know the context?

Much rather the WH 40 K quote myself.
MadCormorant
12:25:01 AM Jan 7th 2012
Agreed.
GoldenAlex
06:53:10 PM Jan 27th 2012
Same here. A return to a 40K Space marine image and quote [which Starcraft is based on] would be much better for the page.
LastChronicler
12:28:43 AM Jun 4th 2012
I'd like to add my voice to a return to a 40K quote at the very least. The Starcraft image isn't quite so bad since it's a pretty good representation of the standard Space Marine look in sci-fi, but the current Halo quote (Halsey's speech) is hardly a good example.
Achaemenid
01:40:30 AM Jun 7th 2012
As would I.
Camacan
moderator
topic
08:17:48 PM Mar 19th 2010
Removed this example: dragonriders are not space marines.

  • Though they aren't actual 'space' marines, the Seanchan Fists of Heaven in the Wheelof Time do fly around on dragons in a late medieval setting and execute hit and run raids from the air. Though the Bloodknives introduced in Gathering Storm probably fit this better; they are elite Fists equipped with items that repel magic and eliminate fear in the wearer who stay behind instead of being evacuated with the remainder of the Fists to kill as many enemy wizards as they possibly can before going down.
GoldenAlex
07:08:53 AM Feb 17th 2011
There are no dragons in the wheel of time. They are closer to living planes [ala Warhammer40000] anyway.
Camacan
moderator
topic
11:48:03 PM Mar 18th 2010
edited by Camacan
Moved the Mass Effect example to A Space Marine Is You: as a spectre agent Shepard does not fit the Space Marine character — see note above about generic FPS characters and the change of trope definition.

  • Commander Shepard, Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams, and Lieutenant Kaidan Alenko in Mass Effect are all Space Marines - although Kaidan, as a combination biotic/tech guy/medic, notably doesn't fit the trope in most respects. Applies when you play as a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltrator.
SomeSortOfTroper
02:13:08 AM Mar 21st 2010
Um, aren't they all marines who work in space and ones who are in the command structure of Admirals and ship-commanding Captains? I know you put Ashley back but notice how the other two also spend all their time involved in "mobile deployment, boarding hostile ships, securing ports including Space Stations." Plus the fact that they are called "Marines" and they work in "Space."
Camacan
moderator
topic
09:04:22 PM Mar 18th 2010
edited by Camacan
Removed the following example: Duke isn't a Space Marine and finding a dead Doomguy is not a fully developed send-up of the trope since Doomguy doesn't inherit much from the trope and the scene is just a corpse and the one line "That's one Doomed Space Marine." It's just a fun Take That / Shout-Out. This example probably made more sense before we removed the focus on generic FPS characters to A Space Marine Is You.

  • Duke Nukem, from the game series of the same name, is a mildly-unique action hero archetype, with his own personality and catchy one-liners (which he swiped from They Live and Army of Darkness). In Duke Nukem 3D, there is a send-up of this archetype when Duke encounters a dead Space Marine in a secret room. He wryly comments "that's one doomed space marine". In turn, the protagonist of the somewhat lesser-known FPS "Blood", another example of a main character in the "chatty" mould, would come across a mangled, nearly dead Duke-lookalike hanging upside down, exclaiming "I've got time to play with you!" (a reference to a self-refential easter egg found in DN 3 D's first level. It may indeed have been fortunate that this particular branch of the FPS family tree, "2,5D" games with heroes spitting one-liners left and right, never got much of a further chance to develop into becoming even more "inbred").
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