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NessaEllenesse Since: Apr, 2015
Sep 15th 2019 at 12:19:22 PM •••

The intro in Cityscape deserve special mention. The Lord Martial of the city spares no effort in hunting down the elf rouge who knocked up his daughter. It's left of to the reader as to weither he was frog marched to the alter or hung.

Nanook-of-the-Narrative Since: Jun, 2019
Jul 22nd 2019 at 10:06:18 AM •••

Anyone else feel like it might make since to notate this as on its way towards becoming a discredited trope? One sees it very infrequently these days, at least in western media, since the notion of a woman as spoiled if lacking in virginity is itself seen as anachronistic. I'm sure one still sees it played straight in some comedic contexts—though probably with limited success unless they are playing up the Values Dissonance).

WillBGood Since: Jan, 2011
Jul 19th 2018 at 5:56:12 AM •••

Page seems to be locked right now— if it's not a permalock I'll add this myself, but if it is... The entry Comics under "Examples involving Both" is not for the original Tales from the Crypt comic but its 2007 revival, and it'd be good to make that distinction.

Candi Sorcerer in training Since: Aug, 2012
Sorcerer in training
Apr 27th 2013 at 3:32:33 AM •••

"Outright stated to be the reason Ruth and Bob married in She Devil."

And math explains why Bob's parents insisted he marry her. In the film, Ruth and Bob have been married 15 years. Their daughter is approximately 14 1/2. Poor kid.

Also a hint that Bob's sleeping around is really old news.

"In The Bible, if a man slept with a woman who was not betrothed to someone else, and someone found out, he legally was required to pay her father (or nearest male relative if her father was dead) the customary bride price and take her as his wife. He could not divorce her, no matter what. Note that this also applied to some cases where the woman was raped, not seduced. This was to provide for any child they may have conceived (a very real possibility in an era with no condoms, Pill, diaphragms, etc.) and to protect the reputation of the woman's family (it also protected the woman, who would be considered Defiled Forever, ensuring that someone would be able to support her)."

The father or male relative could turn down the match -but the guy who had slept with the girl still had to pay up on the bride-price. Since women were allowed to work and own businesses and property (except for land, unless they had no close male relatives), this provided a nice amount to set the girl up if she had no other matches in the offing, providing her with a measure of independence if her family took exception.

Edited by 69.172.221.4 Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Softspoken The One that Heard Since: Oct, 2009
The One that Heard
Mar 3rd 2011 at 10:41:31 PM •••

I'm going to edit some of the body here. The article clearly begins by implying sex. As in, they have sex, and are forced to get married. Okay. The second paragraph though seems to be a bit less focused, and then diverts into a mini-rant about the double standard.

Original:

... had best be discreet about any "mingling" they do with the local female population, lest they find themselves being forced to stay a lot longer than they had intended. (And God help them if they knock up any of the local women. They may be shot even before they get dragged to the altar.) Female main characters must also take care when journeying into these kinds of areas, lest one of the local boys take a shine to them and attempt a forced marriage at gunpoint. (In cases like these, the Big Damn Heroes are much more likely to jump in and save the day. But if you're a male who gets into this situation by sowing your oats a little too wildly, then you're pretty much on your own. Double Standard much? A Man Is Not A Virgin, so he's assumed to be taking advantage.)

Now just reading this, the male / female situations look completely different. The man is implied to be having sex. The woman is implied to be attractive and in the area, and consequently being pursued by a man, and then the article gets annoyed about it. So I've edited the article to discuss the two situations, one where sex is involved and one where it isn't, regardless of gender.

Edited by Softspoken Everytime you call someone 'ignorant', I want to kill you. Is that clear? Also, want my attention? Drop me a line on my page.
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