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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 11:10:57 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by Discar on Apr 15th 2013 at 7:48:23 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
VulgarBee I AM KING OF THE BEACH!! Since: Jun, 2016
I AM KING OF THE BEACH!!
Mar 15th 2019 at 8:44:51 AM •••

Can we make these folder into subpages?

MicoolTNT Shadow of Legends Since: Apr, 2012
Shadow of Legends
Jan 11th 2013 at 11:13:15 PM •••

Watch the Trope Decay here. I'm seeing plenty of potholes to this article which simply amount to "He can launch a Fantastic Nuke" or "He has a high Super Weight" without the element of "He's used as a tool", as well as a few examples which borderline on the above by having questionable "He's a tool" elements.

Edited by MicoolTNT "We can handle what is true, for we are already living it." Hide / Show Replies
MorningStar1337 Since: Nov, 2012
May 4th 2013 at 6:50:27 PM •••

We have decided to make a new trope for the "he's a tool examples and are working on the description now.

IndirectActiveTransport Since: Nov, 2010
Mar 9th 2014 at 8:34:51 PM •••

Then this page should not exist anymore! Stock Superpowers Up To Eleven is all it is and that is not trope worthy. Rather it is the very definition of the same but more.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 9th 2014 at 11:42:32 PM •••

Stock Superpowers is the supertrope. Individual superpowers get their own tropes, they don't get shoehorned into that one.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IndirectActiveTransport Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 3rd 2014 at 8:55:34 PM •••

Okay, so how is this an individual super power? As of now this is just "super powers that cause a lot of damage", which should not be considered page worthy.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Apr 4th 2014 at 4:03:16 AM •••

Person that can cause a lot of damage, to be exact. And these are page worthy - they are frequently the source of conflict and plot in stories.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IndirectActiveTransport Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 19th 2014 at 1:55:05 PM •••

People with super powers in general are frequently the source of conflict in stories. Take leech in X-men, he becomes the focal point of the human/mutant conflict but his powers are hardly "mass destructive" in the literal sense.

Under the old definition, he would have counted well enough anyway as a human who is used like a tool, as a metaphor weapon usage. Why are tropers so literal minded? The characters with "actual" mass destructive powers in the movie, Magneto and Phoenix, are just a homicidal rebel and a confused schizo no one wants to be on the wrong side of, they're super powers are not especially notable in the story so stock super powers is all that is worth mentioning. Even the Sebastian Shaw example seems more like a power hungry super villain than, you know, anything worthy of a page beyond stock super powers. He just has energy absorption up to eleven.

Edited by 69.47.43.173 That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
SaltyWaffles Since: Feb, 2011
Mar 2nd 2015 at 1:32:21 PM •••

If anything, I'd argue that defining this trope is all about the 'relative to the setting' metric.

If a specific person is, for whatever capability/power/potential, capable of effectively causing mass destruction on a strategic scale (not necessarily "obliterate everything within a huge radius" destruction, but massive damage on a large scale, even if it is totally selective), whereas very few people in the setting are capable of such, then this trope would apply.

A person does NOT have to be a literal tool to qualify for this trope. Hell, given the nature of this trope, the idea is to NOT treat them as tools, because you really want those persons of mass destruction to LIKE you, be loyal to you, to be indebted to you, because they are each an independent strategic WMD that can change loyalties (or refuse orders) at the drop of a hat, if they so chose.

Case in point: Tatsuya Shiba, from The Irregular At Magical High School. The guy was, effectively, a child soldier of his own volition until the war ended, and in the time since then he's fleshed out his fundamental/most advanced ability into arguably the most effective WMD in the world. And yet, the military treats him very well, with both a number of his old comrades and his old/current commander being very nice to him, looking out for him, and treating his Pof MD capabilities with all due seriousness and caution—if anything, THEY are much less willing to consider the use of Third Eye than Tatsuya himself is. His friends, his sister, his classmates, and his coworkers all genuinely like him and think of him entirely as a person, rather than merely a strategic asset or weapon. Ironically, most of his family DOES think of him as a tool...but for reasons that have nothing to do with his Person of Mass Destruction capabilities.

Edited by SaltyWaffles
MikeRosoft Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 24th 2013 at 12:29:28 PM •••

Removed re: Kid Radd

  • This becomes a vital plot point, since, once outside of the games-verse and inside of the internet, his beam attack charge limit is literally unlimited: he can charge to a level high enough that it is literally impossible for every computer on the internet combined would be incapable of calculating it, meaning that just by powering up enough and releasing, he can destroy the internet... and everything in it.
I don't think it works that way; even out of his game, he's on a computer, and can only charge his attack to the maximum value available on that computer. Since he's on a 32-bit computer, the value is 2^32-1 (unless he happens to be on a 64-bit one, in which case it's 2^64-1). Plus, even if what you say were possible, just charging the attack would have taken an impossible amount of time; finally, if all the Internet's computers couldn't compute the attack - how could the computer he's on do? He'd never be able to fire.

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