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84788484
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01:04:00 PM Sep 15th 2012
A lot of these examples seem to be "People who care about themselves and their friends more than they care about their sworn enemies"? Is that really a trope or just... common sense?
Falconwing
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01:21:31 PM Feb 29th 2012
◦Kamille has a point. All he's doing is killing soldiers in times of war. Jerid? He killed Kamille's mother and several unarmed civilians.

Point of contention... Jerid legitimately thought he was shooting at a bomb. And I don't recall any instance of him deliberately targeting civilians otherwise
eedwardgrey3
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08:59:52 AM Aug 22nd 2011
edited by eedwardgrey3
Suggestion to replace the current page image with this Calvin and Hobbes example (possibly cropped) http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2009/03/depression-kant-categorical-imperative.html because it is less in need of a caption and in my opinion illustrates the trope better
MrDeath
09:12:40 AM Aug 22nd 2011
Take it to Image Picking
jatay3
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10:33:31 AM Apr 12th 2011
What if one mistakes Moral Myopia for Values Dissonance?

Suppose Tribe A kills and raids Tribe B, and expects tribe B to do the same. It does not(hypothetically)blame Tribe B as such, but it surely is not going to make it easier for Tribe B to succeed even though it will do so for itself. This is just Values Dissonance; it is assuming it is all right to pillage other tribes besides ones own but expecting other tribes to make the same assumption.
tatterdemalian
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09:41:43 AM Apr 12th 2011
edited by tatterdemalian
I wouldn't say it's a bug in altruism itself, as much as a bug in the hyper-extended and over-entitled version of altruism that forms the core doctrine of Marxist beliefs. It is possible for a society to be altruistic, by maintaining legal and ethical codes that don't prejudge members outside the known community of individuals. "Moral myopia," or at least the obsession with it, stems from an insistence that all people must not only be innocent until proven guilty, but also be innocent unless their special circumstances as an individual be taken into account... in short, there must be a different set of legal codes and requirements specially tailored to the circumstances of each individual. This is the diametric opposite of the actual concept of justice, in which it is as wrong for a prince to commit a crime as it is for a pauper, and as unjust to let a pauper get away with crimes as it is to let off a prince. Justice, and the morality it enforces, must not only be myopic, but outright blind, to be anything other than a masquerade hiding rampant injustice. The fact that enough Tropers reject the concept of "blind justice" in favor of "justice according to social class" to create a page dedicated to this trope doesn't bode well for western civilization.
ading
05:20:18 PM May 12th 2013
Dude, what are you talking about?
MrDeath
08:20:36 AM May 13th 2013
Who knows, but he said it more than two years ago. No reason to dredge up a dead conversation now.
AmbarSonofDeshar
07:29:31 PM Dec 2nd 2013
Seems like someone who doesn't understand Marxism or justice.
MAI742
07:21:23 AM May 9th 2014
...yeah, I couldn't make head or tail of it either.

But I'm more concerned at the way they seem to have used the phrase 'western civilisation' un-ironically. XD
BritBllt
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05:34:38 AM Dec 29th 2010
edited by BritBllt
I have no intention of adding back the Real Life examples (Real Life + morality tropes = controversy and natter), but had to comment that this is what always struck me as so bizarre about the Somali pirates last year reacting so self-righteously to getting attacked by special forces. "How dare you try to attack us! We will defend ourselves against your mindless aggression and make you pay for this moral outrage!" ...from pirates who kidnap people to hold them for ransom, said to the countries trying to rescue those people! O.o
MAI742
07:24:20 AM May 9th 2014
It's not about rescuing the hostages, it's about killing the pirates without fixing the problems that are making people turn to piracy (i.e. 20-year Civil War that the U.N. has given up on trying to fix).
MinionNumber2
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02:01:25 AM Apr 10th 2010
Can we please get rid of the abortion example at the bottom of the page? Or at least edit it to a neutral stance? That's just asking for flamewars to be started.
EmmaWoodhouse18
01:39:30 PM Mar 4th 2012
I removed it since it violates the No Real Life Examples, Please! rule. And I got rid of the "Other" category altogether since it provides too much temptation for people to violate that rule.
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