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supergod
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10:48:37 AM Aug 28th 2014
I'm a bit iffy about listing "Entombedcore" as a metalcore genre. While several of them like Xibalba do take cues from early metalcore, I've also seen that term used for bands that mix Swedish death metal with old school hardcore, power violence and/or grindcore. It's don't think it's prominent enough to have it's own page, but a lot of Entombedcore bands are much further removed from the metalcore the tag is often used for (including bands like Converge) than deathcore bands are. I've never seen something like Mammoth Grinder being considered metalcore, for example.
HasturHasturHastur
02:01:19 PM Sep 7th 2014
edited by 71.161.90.229
I think it's a distinct enough movement that really doesn't sound like anything else to warrant a slot. Metalcore is really the closest that one can come to describing the sound; they're too metallic for hardcore, grindcore, crust, and powerviolence, but too punkish to be sludge and WAY too punkish to be death metal. Spiritually, most of them have at least some connection to old-school metalcore (some more than others; e.g. Xibalba and Trap Them being closer in spirit than, say, YaitW or Nails); deathcore was generally more of a 60/40 spiritual split between death metal and metalcore at first (back in the days of TRC, Despised Icon, All Shall Perish, and the other originators) before nu-metal, melodic metalcore, and djent started to creep in and diluted the genre enough to mostly separate it from metalcore. Also, Entombedcore would definitely not be prominent enough to warrant a separate spot back around 2010 or so, but the fact of the matter is that it's exploding right now and will only get bigger for the foreseeable future, and, for better or for worse, is the closest thing we've got to a resurrection of the old school right now.

Also, this is somewhat off-topic (but still tangentially related), but I'd argue that Weekend Nachos definitely qualifies as Entombedcore at this point. Now, if this was pre-2013 and we were talking about their output up to Worthless, I'd definitely agree that they were still essentially just somewhat more metallic powerviolence, but Still is definitely a plunge into the Entombedcore realm.
supergod
05:48:24 AM Sep 8th 2014
edited by 2.49.213.13
As long as it actually sounds like early metalcore with an added Swededeath sound, I agree that they should be listed here, but mixtures of Swededeath with old school hardcore, crust, powerviolence or other hardcore subgenres without enough of the early metalcore influence shouldn't count, no matter how "metallic" it actually is. After all, not all hardcore with a prominent metal influence (Gang Green, Dishammer, Cro-Mags, G.I.S.M., Amebix, Dystopia, etc.) is metalcore. Something like Acephalix should never end up on the list is what I'm saying.

I haven't heard any recent Weekend Nachos, so you may be right, but we should mention the change in sound.
azraelfinalstar
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11:44:20 PM Oct 17th 2011
Why do we let the metal fandom's Hate Dumb dictate what goes on metal genre pages? Do we really need to tell people that some Metalheads thing Metal Core and Nu Metal are disgraces to metal?
quimby
09:59:35 AM Jan 14th 2012
well the level of Hate Dumb is worth mentioning on the page, but I think that it shouldn't be right in the description; that's kind of biased.
Lordnecronus
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01:47:38 AM May 24th 2010
edited by Lordnecronus
Both Demon Hunter and Between the Buried and Me were moved from the main list to the list of bands that aren't metalcore. I've added BTBAM back to the main list and removed Demon Hunter altogether, but this is probably a temporary edit.

I'd like to discuss whether these two bands belong in the metalcore genre or not. I'd also like to ask if Demon Hunter really are nu-metal, like Korn or Slipknot; I haven't heard much from Demon Hunter, so I'm unsure.  *

I noticed, too late, that my edit reason leading people to the talk page only mentions Demon Hunter as part of the discussion. I apologise for that.
MetaFour
moderator
04:09:08 AM May 24th 2010
I really don't follow the differences between metal subgenres, but I am a fan of Demon Hunter so I can tell you some representative tracks so you can judge for yourself:

Lordnecronus
12:47:23 PM May 24th 2010
OK, had a listen to all of them (except "Undying", the video wouldn't work for some reason). Judging by these songs, their earlier stuff (2002-04) sort of blurs the line between nu-metal and metalcore, their middle period leans more towards metalcore, and their 2010 stuff isn't either genre.

There is metalcore in there, so I'm adding them back to the main list with an explanation that they're not 100% part of the genre, similar to what's been done with Between the Buried and Me.
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