Discussion Main / METALcore

I think it's a distinct enough movement that really doesn't sound like anything else to warrant a slot. Metalcore is really the closest that one can come to describing the sound; they're too metallic for hardcore, grindcore, crust, and powerviolence, but too punkish to be sludge and WAY too punkish to be death metal. Spiritually, most of them have at least some connection to old-school metalcore (some more than others; e.g. Xibalba and Trap Them being closer in spirit than, say, YaitW or Nails); deathcore was generally more of a 60/40 spiritual split between death metal and metalcore at first (back in the days of TRC, Despised Icon, All Shall Perish, and the other originators) before nu-metal, melodic metalcore, and djent started to creep in and diluted the genre enough to mostly separate it from metalcore. Also, Entombedcore would definitely not be prominent enough to warrant a separate spot back around 2010 or so, but the fact of the matter is that it's exploding right now and will only get bigger for the foreseeable future, and, for better or for worse, is the closest thing we've got to a resurrection of the old school right now.

Also, this is somewhat off-topic (but still tangentially related), but I'd argue that Weekend Nachos definitely qualifies as Entombedcore at this point. Now, if this was pre-2013 and we were talking about their output up to Worthless, I'd definitely agree that they were still essentially just somewhat more metallic powerviolence, but Still is definitely a plunge into the Entombedcore realm.

As long as it actually sounds like early metalcore with an added Swededeath sound, I agree that they should be listed here, but mixtures of Swededeath with old school hardcore, crust, powerviolence or other hardcore subgenres without enough of the early metalcore influence shouldn't count, no matter how "metallic" it actually is. After all, not all hardcore with a prominent metal influence (Gang Green, Dishammer, Cro-Mags, G.I.S.M., Amebix, Dystopia, etc.) is metalcore. Something like Acephalix should never end up on the list is what I'm saying.

I haven't heard any recent Weekend Nachos, so you may be right, but we should mention the change in sound.

well the level of Hate Dumb is worth mentioning on the page, but I think that it shouldn't be right in the description; that's kind of biased.

I really don't follow the differences between metal subgenres, but I am a fan of Demon Hunter so I can tell you some representative tracks so you can judge for yourself:

• Through the Black (2002)
• Turn Your Back and Run (2002)
• Not Ready to Die (2004)
• My Heartstrings Come Undone (2004)
• Beauty Through the Eyes of a Predator (2004)
• Undying (2005)
• Deteriorate (2005)
• Fire to My Soul (2005)
• Lead Us Home (2007)
• Fading Away (2007)
• Follow the Wolves (2007)
• Descending Upon Us (2010)
• Tie This Around Your Neck (2010)
• The World is a Thorn (2010)
• Collapsing (2010)

OK, had a listen to all of them (except "Undying", the video wouldn't work for some reason). Judging by these songs, their earlier stuff (2002-04) sort of blurs the line between nu-metal and metalcore, their middle period leans more towards metalcore, and their 2010 stuff isn't either genre.

There is metalcore in there, so I'm adding them back to the main list with an explanation that they're not 100% part of the genre, similar to what's been done with Between the Buried and Me.