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12:17:45 AM Jul 6th 2017
edited by SteakAddictsAnonymous
1. Do familial/platonic examples make sense? There seem to be a lot of parental issue/familial issue tropes that seem to fit the examples better based on the main description. Adding to the confusion, a few years back this trope /only/ described romantic examples. Also, if we are keeping familial or platonic examples, can someone clarify the main description with what this trope looks like for family/platonic? The example given with Alice and Bob only describes it for romantic. For me, it is completely unclear from the description what this trope is about when people throw in family-platonic stuff, my first instinct is 'hey, shouldn't that be under Dad issue trope #3, parental abandonment, etc etc.' I know there is a little quick explanation about the familial/platonic thing, but it is not clear why it doesn't just fall under the cited welldonesonguy tropes ETC. If there could be a little more on that it would be helpful especially since all the nattering about fanfic distracts from it. (I missed it reading the first time around, the second time, I read it but it still did not clarify anything or why this even should be a separate trope for familial/platonic stuff. Nor does it clarify any kind of platonic love.) Also, it's far away from the alice/bob example, and I know I'm repeating but by the time you read about the 'bleh happens in fanfic a lot' you've completely forgotten about alice/bob example and got confused as to 'why is this even a trope' at the familial platonic side. it *really* feels like familial/platonic martyring should be a separate trope... is this trope just supposed to be unconditional love in an abusive one sided relationship? confused. Instinctively, I would think that the familial platonic examples are another trope (or if it doesn't exist yet, a reason to make another trope for it...?)

the format should be like

[This is the trope/this is alice/bob example & trope description] [These are genre of works in which the trope often shows up and how they use it] —-


[this is the trope] [this is a genre of works in which the trope often shows up] [this is the trope too]

I've reread the description several times and nope. I still do *not* understand what this trope is about anymore. Any clarification would be helpful.

2. Why are we nattering on about bad fanfic in the main description around the 'definition of the trope' part and adding on the rest of the definition as some kind of aside? If the purpose is to critique bad fanfic, I feel like we should make a page for that and keep it out of main description of tropes... (also, like, why aren't we nattering on about harlequin romance, shoujo, etc if we are going to bring genres and the bad dregs of genres in here). Y'all wanna add a full cross-genre analysis/examples here or just remove it?
01:06:55 PM Aug 22nd 2017
As far as my understanding of the trope goes: Character loves someone(any of The Four Loves will do) even though being with said someone brings him suffering. That's bare bones of it.
10:12:17 AM Aug 30th 2016
  • Familial example: Iris, your twin older sister Dahlia is a serial killer. You know this. Stop helping her.
For the record this is Ace Attorney example. As far as my understanding of tropes goes: when character loves a bad guy that Even Evil Can Be Loved, if a character loves a bad guy trying to invoke Love Redeems that's I Can Change My Beloved, THIS trope is when character continues to love another character and suffers for it. Which in this case didn't happen. Yes she loved Dahlia, but she only suffered because of her twice. First time was when Dahlia tried to kill her boyfriend which broke their relationship, second was when Dahlia threw her into freezing cavern, none of which had anything to do with said character loving Dahlia. I believe actuall trope at play here is Even Evil Can Be Loved.
04:10:13 PM Mar 24th 2015
In The Simpsons, Milhouse Van Houten qualifies for this trope, right?
03:15:14 PM Jun 21st 2015
He rather feels like an Abhorrent Admirer to me.
12:41:51 PM Jul 26th 2012
Is reciprocation (although not quite properly shown) surely a condition of this trope? Because I have read many examples there about one-sided adoration.
12:41:56 AM Aug 28th 2010
Clipped this Justifying Edit from the DBZ entry:

If by 'go have fun', you mean be dead for most of that time. (Or believed to be dead but really just lost in space...) Luckily, death isn't quite the setback it used to be.

Goku was dead once (after Cell), thought to be dead once (Frieza) and just up and left once (end of the series, to train Uub). After both Frieza and Cell, Goku refused attempts to wish him back (why depends on which version you're looking at: manga, original anime or dub). But the fact remains: Twice, he had a chance to return his family and chose not to. And a third time, he spent a decade with his family, only to run off again to train Uub (Why he had to leave home for another decade to do this...)
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