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Paireon
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04:25:00 PM Jul 26th 2014
edited by 184.161.254.60
So... This trope is presented as being a Bad Thing, yet several villains in it (a minority, mind you) are either presented in terms that don't make them seem all that bad in context, and/or that are generally not considered that annoying by the fans (the D-Reaper and Apocalypse, for example). Shouldn't something mentioning Tropes Are Not Bad be included?
SeptimusHeap
02:44:45 AM Jul 27th 2014
Yes, or better yet thr description rewritten so that it doesn't focus so much on the audience reception. I am not in the health to correct it, though.
yggsassil
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02:43:04 PM Jul 23rd 2014
Wouldn't this be a YMMV?
SeptimusHeap
03:11:19 PM Jul 23rd 2014
No. Why?
MagBas
04:33:43 PM Jul 23rd 2014
edited by 200.187.118.2
Here is the thread to turn tropes ymmv: {{http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=3tg6evewhfkzrkmbflgc97iv&page=58#1428}} If you want present their case...
Relativus
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09:57:27 AM Jul 6th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
Now, I'm starting to wonder who is the more invincible out of the two when you start to think about it, Amon or Azula:

While both of them don't really "lose" definitely until each series respective finales, Amon is basically untouchable for the majority of Legend of Korra, he never suffers any kind of drawbacks and succeeds at every goal he sets out to achieve. De-bending Lin, Tarrlok, Korra herself, and many other benders. Destroying the Pro-bending Arena, defeating the United Forces army and pretty much taking over Republic City before Korra unmasked him.

While Azula does win by the end of Book 2: Earth and yes, her victory can be partly attributed to contrived coincidences, she does suffer her fair share of defeats before that. In her first speaking appearance she dominates Zuko before Iroh defeats her in like 5 seconds and they manage to escape. In Return to Omashu she fails to catch Aang even with the help of her friends. In The Chase, part of the reason why she disappears at the end is because she knew she couldn't take them all on and that's why she takes that cheap shot at Iroh in order to distract them and retreats. Then in The Drill she and Ty Lee are defeated (quite humiliatingly I might say) by Team Avatar and they destroy the siege unit that the Fire Nation probably spend months creating. Mai even points out their failure at the end. And finally, you can tell in The Crossroads of Destiny that she couldn't have won without help. Watch that episode again, if Zuko hadn't made his Face Heel Turn and hadn't showed up to aid her, Katara alone would have defeated her.

So yeah, as effective as Azula is, Amon beats her in the Villain Invincibility department.
Vilui
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12:35:44 PM Jul 27th 2012
So... the title has changed from Boring Invincible Villain to just Invincible Villain, but the page still contains the full phrase and talks about the reasons why it's boring, with no indication of how to make a non-boring one work.
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