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lazinesslord
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07:39:26 AM Jan 5th 2013
I'm pretty sure Shining Armor doesn't count for this trope. He's a captain not a general.
Kersey475
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04:15:17 PM Jul 7th 2011
Does this trope still apply to badass field marshals (which rank higher than generals)?
MikaruKeiko
11:42:01 PM Aug 7th 2011
Umm, which branch are you refering to? because in the army the only ones that rank higher than Generals are the federal people, and 'field marshal' isn't a rank.
TheGrandHero
06:49:15 AM Sep 9th 2011
He's talking about the army, and it is very much an actual rank. Marshal and field marshal are a step above a general. The United States doesn't use it, but much of Europe does. Arthur Wellesley (the Duke of Wellington), for example, was a field marshal.

In the United States, a field marshal is considered the equivalent to a five-star general.
jatay3
09:55:01 AM May 23rd 2013
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Agemegos
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06:31:26 PM Jun 21st 2010
A lot of the real-life examples are of great generals with no particular record as arse-kickers in personal combat. The Duke of Wellington, for example, conquered India and beat every one of Napoleon's marshals followed by Napoleon himself. He never lost a battle after one embarrassing incident when he was a lieutenant-colonel. Great, great strategist, great logistician, great field commander, worshipped by has troops, five star rank in nine armies....

But "The important characteristic of Four Star Badass is the BADASS." And Wellington didn't personally kick arses after playground fights at school. He was renowned as the worst shot in England. Only actually fought with his sabre once (escaping a French cavalry patrol a few days before Salamanca).

I don't mean to disparage the generals listed as generals, but I feel someone ought to go through the page and remove all the examples except of generals who personally kicked arse with their own weapons. I feel a bit too diffident to do it off my own bat, but if someone gives me encouragement....
24.185.95.121
06:01:27 PM Jun 26th 2010
Agemegos: Please don't do that. Thank you.
Agemegos
12:01:16 AM Jun 30th 2010
Then who is going to?

It's the page for 4-star badasses, not good generals.
jatay3
10:04:50 AM May 23rd 2013
Agemegos, in modern times a general is usually a bureaucrat whatever airs he puts on, because armies are so spread out. In Wellington's day a battle was only ten miles or so wide, and generals regularly played fireman by rushing to the most critical-meaning the most dangerous-area. A reasonably skilled pre-modern general was almost automatically a badass even if he had no personal combat skills.

Furthermore, in Wellington's time, personal combat skills counted little for anyone. Most soldiers simply loaded and fired mechanically and the one who could put the most dakka in the air won. The only ones who engaged in hand-to-hand combat regularly were cavalry and even they did this for only brief occasions. Wellington however, though he wasn't a good shooter, was if I remember a very good horseman, and several other generals were, as that would be a needed skill for a general in a pre-modern battlefield.
magelet
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09:47:44 PM May 2nd 2010
Roy Mustang was only a general for about 3 seconds, and only in the terrible, terrible first anime. He is a Colonel for the vast majority of the first anime, in the SOURCE MATERIAL, and in the new anime. Shouldn't he only be included under Colonel Badass and not here?
MikaruKeiko
11:43:05 PM Aug 7th 2011
Feel free to change it.
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