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**Along the same vein, in arguments about religion (and especially religion vs. science) religious people will often be accused of \
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**Along the same vein, in arguments about religion (and especially religion vs. science) religious people will often be accused of \\\"believing the Earth is flat.\\\" As noted above, the belief in a round Earth pre-dates Christianity and was never opposed by the Church. Presumably people are actually thinking of heliocentrism.
***This was probably Washington Irving\\\'s intent in creating the myth in the first place. The idea was to mock the pre-Enlightenment European establishments (royalty, church, etc.) by claiming they were so foolish and hidebound that they believed something as absurd as the idea that the Earth was flat, when any educated person -- or anyone who\\\'d travelled far enough from home to see it sink below the horizon -- could tell that it wasn\\\'t. Irving\\\'s mythologized Columbus was a symbol of American Enlightenment thinking triumphing over the Old Ways.
** And there are some who believe that Columbus actually knew or suspected that there was another continent out there waiting to be (re)discovered.
***Though that is itself a DeadUnicornTrope. It\\\'s generally accepted that Columbus was using an erroneous, too-small estimate of the Earth\\\'s size, whereas the establishment he was defying actually had the \\\'\\\'right\\\'\\\' estimate. Thus, he thought the world was small enough that he could reach China in a reasonable amount of time by sailing west. Until the day he died, he believed he\\\'d actually reached the East Indies; it was only later that the Americas were recognized as new continents (which is why they\\\'re named for Amerigo Vespucci instead of Columbus).
There are a few other SquarePegRoundTrope type examples, so I\\\'ll try to get rid of them.
(Also, the FilmNoir example was rather [[BondOneLiner taken apart by its bullets]].)
***This was probably Washington Irving\\\'s intent in creating the myth in the first place. The idea was to mock the pre-Enlightenment European establishments (royalty, church, etc.) by claiming they were so foolish and hidebound that they believed something as absurd as the idea that the Earth was flat, when any educated person -- or anyone who\\\'d travelled far enough from home to see it sink below the horizon -- could tell that it wasn\\\'t. Irving\\\'s mythologized Columbus was a symbol of American Enlightenment thinking triumphing over the Old Ways.
** And there are some who believe that Columbus actually knew or suspected that there was another continent out there waiting to be (re)discovered.
***Though that is itself a DeadUnicornTrope. It\\\'s generally accepted that Columbus was using an erroneous, too-small estimate of the Earth\\\'s size, whereas the establishment he was defying actually had the \\\'\\\'right\\\'\\\' estimate. Thus, he thought the world was small enough that he could reach China in a reasonable amount of time by sailing west. Until the day he died, he believed he\\\'d actually reached the East Indies; it was only later that the Americas were recognized as new continents (which is why they\\\'re named for Amerigo Vespucci instead of Columbus).
There are a few other SquarePegRoundTrope type examples, so I\\\'ll try to get rid of them.
(Also, the FilmNoir example was rather [[BondOneLiner taken apart by its bullets]].)
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This page needs a bit less pedantry, among other things. I\'m cleaning it up now, but to start with: this seems like it really doesn\'t fit here, more like CommonKnowledge (which I suppose this is a subtrope of).
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This page needs a bit less pedantry, among other things. I\\\'m cleaning it up a little. To start with: this seems like it really doesn\\\'t fit here, more like CommonKnowledge (which I suppose this is a subtrope of).
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**Along the same vein, in arguments about religion (and especially religion vs. science) religious people will often be accused of \
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**Along the same vein, in arguments about religion (and especially religion vs. science) religious people will often be accused of \\\"believing the Earth is flat.\\\" As noted above, the belief in a round Earth pre-dates Christianity and was never opposed by the Church. Presumably people are actually thinking of heliocentrism.
***This was probably Washington Irving\\\'s intent in creating the myth in the first place. The idea was to mock the pre-Enlightenment European establishments (royalty, church, etc.) by claiming they were so foolish and hidebound that they believed something as absurd as the idea that the Earth was flat, when any educated person -- or anyone who\\\'d travelled far enough from home to see it sink below the horizon -- could tell that it wasn\\\'t. Irving\\\'s mythologized Columbus was a symbol of American Enlightenment thinking triumphing over the Old Ways.
** And there are some who believe that Columbus actually knew or suspected that there was another continent out there waiting to be (re)discovered.
***Though that is itself a DeadUnicornTrope. It\\\'s generally accepted that Columbus was using an erroneous, too-small estimate of the Earth\\\'s size, whereas the establishment he was defying actually had the \\\'\\\'right\\\'\\\' estimate. Thus, he thought the world was small enough that he could reach China in a reasonable amount of time by sailing west. Until the day he died, he believed he\\\'d actually reached the East Indies; it was only later that the Americas were recognized as new continents (which is why they\\\'re named for Amerigo Vespucci instead of Columbus).
Also, the FilmNoir example was rather [[BondOneLiner taken apart by its bullets]].
***This was probably Washington Irving\\\'s intent in creating the myth in the first place. The idea was to mock the pre-Enlightenment European establishments (royalty, church, etc.) by claiming they were so foolish and hidebound that they believed something as absurd as the idea that the Earth was flat, when any educated person -- or anyone who\\\'d travelled far enough from home to see it sink below the horizon -- could tell that it wasn\\\'t. Irving\\\'s mythologized Columbus was a symbol of American Enlightenment thinking triumphing over the Old Ways.
** And there are some who believe that Columbus actually knew or suspected that there was another continent out there waiting to be (re)discovered.
***Though that is itself a DeadUnicornTrope. It\\\'s generally accepted that Columbus was using an erroneous, too-small estimate of the Earth\\\'s size, whereas the establishment he was defying actually had the \\\'\\\'right\\\'\\\' estimate. Thus, he thought the world was small enough that he could reach China in a reasonable amount of time by sailing west. Until the day he died, he believed he\\\'d actually reached the East Indies; it was only later that the Americas were recognized as new continents (which is why they\\\'re named for Amerigo Vespucci instead of Columbus).
Also, the FilmNoir example was rather [[BondOneLiner taken apart by its bullets]].
