Main Artistic License Physics Discussion

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05:23:48 AM Mar 7th 2016
edited by BridgeSpotter
Related to "Bridge to Nowhere has Nothing on This" - still structural engineering, albeit for buildings instead of bridges - is the depiction in the Godzilla movies (both 1998 and 2014, possibly others) of a tall building with a Godzilla-sized hole ( straight through the center. In skyscraper design, the central core which houses mechanical systems, elevators, etc., also provides stability for the whole structure - if this central core was removed then the surrounding structure would collapse like a house of cards.
10:37:19 PM Apr 3rd 2014
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Fast Sound?

I've been thinking of adding something about this, if it's not already mentioned somewhere. I've done some searching, but my foo may not be working.

Explosion happens several miles away. Observer sees the explosion and hears it AT THE SAME TIME. Obviously, contrary to observed physics, sound travels at the speed of light.

I've even started seeing it in *news* *reports*!
02:42:07 PM Aug 8th 2013
I added both a Buoyancy Matters and Space is not an Ocean as possible new sub tropes. The latter is almost so prevalent as to be not a trope, but an assumed default use. That is, viewers/readers just assume that space (and space combat) work like in-atmosphere combat that it's hard to get people to understand that they don't at all.

12:14:03 PM Feb 9th 2013
The novel Airborn has airships that use hydrium gas for their lifting power. This miraculous gas is specifically mentioned to be even lighter than hydrogen - an atom made up of a single proton. Let's see if we can figure out how many protons something lighter might have...

... the irony here is this would work if any of the known mesons in existence was stable. Alas for science...
10:17:49 PM Nov 12th 2011
Can anyone explain whats wrong with the entry for Spiral under the laws of inertia folder. It is possible to throw a key from a train and have it fall straight down, it just depends on how the key was thrown, how fast it was thrown, and where the point of view is located.
05:51:07 PM Dec 15th 2010
Didn't this used to be "You fail physics forever?" I can understand a name change due to similarity to the other "You fail X forever" tropes, but "Physics Goof" really does not imply the same degree of problem.
07:44:30 AM Dec 16th 2010
edited by ccoa
It's being discussed on the forums right now. Essentially, the admin wants all the You Fail... tropes gone, on the grounds that they are not tropes. We're trying to find a compromise.

The name change was what alerted me to the debate.
04:11:53 PM Dec 29th 2010
Awww...I liked the 'You Fail X Forever." names. :(
12:10:00 PM Jan 28th 2011
Yeah those where awesome names
09:41:21 AM Apr 6th 2011
So that's where the "Artistic License" titles came from. I sad. :(
11:56:47 PM Apr 24th 2011
My problem with this particular case of Artistic License title is that we already have a separate trope titled Art Major Physics. Because "Artistic License - Physics" is almost completely neutral-sounding, anything under Art Major Physics would go under would technically count as well if we just went by the title alone. Either bring back the negative implications of the past two titles or just merge the two. XP
05:20:36 PM Apr 25th 2011
We were supposed to merge all the Art Major and You Fail pairs. Why this didn't happen is beyond me.
10:23:30 AM May 6th 2011
Aww, sadness! The 'You Fail Forever' names were the best! It was the reason I looked at this trope page the first time. I mean, how can you not look at a page named 'You Fail Physics Forever'? The current name sounds like it shouldn't include the most serious ones, IMO. I think artistic license is the ones where the laws of physics are occasionally ignored for plot/story reasons, not when they are repeatedly ignored with no reason to believe the authors were making a conscious choice to ignore them.
11:21:44 AM May 13th 2011
Lovely. No ladies and gentlemen this site is not wikipedia. It is worse. At least on wikipedia one admin doesn't have absolute power.

Our opinions are worthless apparently.
11:36:37 AM May 13th 2011
12:10:59 PM May 13th 2011
edited by SpellBlade
^^ Dude, we spent several months deciding the rename.

01:48:09 PM Jun 10th 2011
Let me make my displeasure with the name change known. There needs to be a trope page for physics fails, not just intentional reality warping.
08:07:40 AM Jun 15th 2011
Because the site admin forced you to spellblade
12:11:20 AM Sep 2nd 2010
In the Xbox 360 game Star Ocean: Last Hope, near the end in a massive space battle the enemy forces are shifting patterns too rapidly for the ship's computer to calculate, causing every one of their attacks to miss so Arumat switches to manual and proceeds to gun down dozens of enemy ships.

Would that be an example of this trope?
12:44:23 PM May 16th 2010
  • The Flat Earth Society, quite possibly the largest group of physics failures anywhere. To whit; their standard answer for gravity is that the earth has been perpetually accelerating upwards at 9.8 metres per second squared yet the "speed of light" problem hasn't kicked in because of... time relativity theory.

...that's a perfectly valid explanation for the particular problem of why it wouldn't reach the speed of light. It still makes no sense without a damn reason to accelerate like that, but it's perfectly possible for an object, in its own frame of reference, to accelerate indefinitely, since in its own frame of reference it appears to be stationary. To an outside observer, the acceleration would slow over time, but people on the object wouldn't be able to tell.
09:01:20 AM May 18th 2010
I agree. This trope is about physics being used incorrectly to advance plot points. The Flat Earth Society isn't a plot point, they're an organization directly pushing an alternate scientific theory. Whether that theory is true or not is irrelevant. It's unlikely that they're wrong because they Did Not Do The Research.
09:17:27 AM May 18th 2010
Would accelerating for that long require a Reactionless Drive?
10:35:41 AM Mar 6th 2010
In other words, it's perfectly fine up until the point it violates suspension of disbelief. Obviously that threshold is going to vary from person to person.

Then shouldn't this page be listed as subjective?
06:42:01 AM May 18th 2010
No. Failing the laws of physics is not subjective in any way, shape, or form. The only subjective part is how the audience reacts to it, which is true of every trope.
06:02:35 PM May 18th 2010
If it's "acceptable because it makes for good storytelling and/or just plain awesomeness", isn't that Art Major Physics? (Which is written in contrast to this trope.) That's where it could be subjective; most of the You Fail Whatever Forever are (supposedly) for when a work wants to be take seriously in the specified area.
06:42:14 PM May 18th 2010
Honestly, I don't think Art Major Physics is even really a trope.

This trope is "this violates the laws of physics". Just because it doesn't violate suspension of disbelief doesn't make it not this trope.
10:35:28 PM May 19th 2010
In that case, this page needs a better description because the current one is basically "This trope is subjective" only in more words.
03:47:52 PM May 30th 2010
It's perhaps poorly titled for something that general, though; You Fail _ Forever is a pretty judgmental or insulting wording. Also, the various "Fail" tropes would cover every Speculative Fiction story ever; it gets so general that even noting it becomes pointless.
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