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09:37:19 PM Jul 18th 2012
Including Jesus is a completely twisting of what this Trope means, someone just felt it needed a Biblical example and found Jesus the closest thing.
12:40:48 AM Dec 31st 2010
Does anyone think that the current picture (the Touhou one) kind of ruins the feel of this trope in general? The trope was supposed to be a tragic and a bit dark (apocalyse and all that). However, a large head of a girl crashing into the Earth while the face was kind of smiling just ruins it.
05:05:05 PM Jan 23rd 2011
Response in the affirmative. Do we have the discussion concerning the change?
05:09:36 PM Jan 23rd 2011
02:40:25 PM Jan 30th 2011
edited by Hoo
Acknowledgement. General response to the current image was "It's funny, and nobody is really objecting." It was proposed that the image was too surreal to accurately depict the trope, but the image was picked regardless. The previous image was taken down because it was a spoiler for Evangelion.

01:52:57 PM May 26th 2011
It's also a bit of a pun, because it's a yukkuri Reimu - Reimu being the main character and one of hte 2 shrine maidens of Touhou. See the pun now?
11:46:20 AM Jun 29th 2011
Unfortunately I'm not educated enough in Touhou to get the pun. As for the picture, there's not even an example from Touhou that the Trope applies to. It doesn't really cover the trope more than being a cute meteor (or explosion or flower or something) rocking the planet. The picture just seems kind of random. And it definitely doesn't fit the trope (which as I recall off of the top of my head is someone the hero or good faction treasures, usually female, is the key to The End Of The World As We Know It). I understand the problem with the previous picture being a spoiler, and I personally think that either the picture should be clickable to reveal (due to spoilers), like the High Octane Nightmare Fuel Picture for Doctor Who (which I don't suggest you look at), or it should outright be pictureless.
05:32:34 PM Dec 2nd 2011
edited by VeryMelon
Dear God is the image page ugly, and stupid looking. I second de-picturing it.
01:33:25 PM Jul 22nd 2012
I third de-picturing it. It barely has anything to do with the trope aside from being "a girl causing the destruction of the world." And it's not even really a girl, just a disembodied head filled with bean paste.
04:41:48 PM Aug 6th 2012
New image is up now.
12:08:20 AM Sep 26th 2010
Crazed Ninja: I think the image should be changed. It's been a while since I've watched Evangelion, but if I remember correctly, Rei's real purpose isn't revealed until The Movie, which would make this one of the biggest spoilers in the series.
07:17:36 PM Apr 11th 2010
edited by BritBllt
Removing this one...

  • On Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, one later story-arc involving the recurring threat Dahak involved the "sacrifice of a hero" to bring Dahak into the physical world. Although meant for Hercules himself, his buddy Iolaus leaps into the way savings Herc at the cost of his own life. There's some filler arc episodes where Hercules deals with his grief, but when he finally returns home to Greece he finds Iolaus alive and well. Except that it's not really Iolaus, its Dahak running around in Iolaus' body (or a copy of his body? its not REALLY clear but he looks NOT corpsey). I guess Hercules was a little too self-centered to realize his sidekick might count as a "hero" too...

There's lots of details wrong with it, mainly that it was Iolaus's love interest Nebula that Iolaus sacrificed himself to save, not Herculus, so that whole Take That! about Hercules being self-centered doesn't work. And I'm not really seeing how it's this trope. There was nothing about Nebula, apart from being a hero, that marked her as destined to bring about the end of the world. There was also nothing about Iolaus that specifically marked him either, apart from being a hero who died at the right place at the right time. And when he came back, he came back as a vessel for Dahak, which brings The Antichrist and Demonic Possession into play (btw, it was indeed his real body: Zarathustra said as much when he asked Hercules, who was reluctant to hurt his former friend, what mattered more, saving Iolaus's soul, or not harming Iolaus's possessed body). There's lotsa tropes going on with that situation, but I don't think Apocalypse Maiden is among them. The key to this trope is finding out that someone is destined to bring about the end of the world, and the moral dilemma over whether to kill them to avert the apocalypse or not. Iolaus wasn't destined to destroy the world and, when the situation arose, there really wasn't a moral dilemma (he was already dead and his body was revived by Dahak, the only question being asked was how to stop him).

For that same reason, removing Willow's entry. Dawn is a textbook example, but none of the Apocalypse Maiden "destined to destroy the world" issues come up with Willow.

12:37:18 PM Nov 21st 2010
And the Fallout 3 example definitely doesn't fit, so I removed it. Even if the player does something apocalyptic, that's just being evil by choice, not a destined doomsday.
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