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04:25:05 PM Mar 17th 2017
edited by NessaEllenesse
Loki's actions against the Frost giants seem to be less bigotry and more revenge. He doesn't really get mad at them until he finds out that Laufi left him to die as an infant/. Think back to Laufi''s remarks about Odin at the beginning of the film. Laufi not only left Loki to die, he seems to hold a grudge against Odin for saving Loki's life. Remember Loki may be lacking someone in wisdom given some of the stupid things he has done, but he does have a very high intellegence. I was able to see that connection the first time I saw the movie.
02:14:58 AM Mar 19th 2017
Interesting point! But I personally think it's both. Luring and killing Laufey right before he was about to kill Odin was most definitely revenge against Laufey for leaving him to die, but I also think that trying to destroy Jotunheim later was an act of bigotry. Several times he calls the Jotuns "monsters" and makes it clear that many Asgardians see them as monsters too. ("What, because I'm the monster who parents tell their children about at night?!"). He himself might be holding less bigotry, but to me it really seemed that he did it in the end to try to prove Odin and other Asgardians who might find out about his heritage that he is not part of and like these "monsters" that Asgardians think the Jotuns are by destroying the planet and making it look as if it was justified at the same time. Somewhere on the page is a link to an article that interpreted his actions as internalized racism and the article was quite plausible for me, so I might have been a bit biased by it; but it's interesting to think about your point anyways!
09:47:43 AM May 27th 2014
So, I know that on the one hand, if someone is looking for fanfic involving specific characters it might be simpler to just go to the rec page for their movies, but doesn't it seem like it might be better organized in general to consolidate all of the recs onto one page, with different folders for different characters/movies/whatever, rather than checking four different pages for fanfic recs because there are so few on any given page, or because something might have been recc'd on multiple pages, or because someone is unsure of the correct page to rec something?

If, for example, someone were looking for Loki fic, they'd have four different pages to search (Thor, Thor 2, The Avengers and the MCU main page) and comparatively little actual content per page, because they're all split up. It gets even worse if you're looking for stuff involving Coulson or Tony Stark.

I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be easier to get rid of the individual movies' fanfic rec pages and group all of the existing recommendations on the MCU rec page. What does everyone else think?
08:24:52 AM Oct 4th 2012
Before I add this in to either this or the Marvel Cinematic Universe Character Sheet, I got to ask everyone's opinion on this:

Would Thor qualify as a Gentle Giant after his Character Development in the film Thor? Or maybe even before being humbled.

He is most certainly a polite gentleman who keeps his promises, before and after; but he is still headstrong and violent all the way through his character arc. I also noticed he has yet to receieve the Nice Guy trope that Steve has in his section.

Any thoughts on the matter?
09:10:15 AM Jun 22nd 2012
Is there a trope for them getting the mythology wrong? A few examples...Laufey is supposed to be female. In the beginning scenes, Odin is shown as riding Sleipnir (spelling may be wrong). However, that's the war during which Odin finds Loki, and Sleipnir is Loki's son.

03:26:17 PM Sep 3rd 2012
Sadly Mythtaken, but it's best to also note that this is STILL an interpretation of the Marvel version of Norse Mythology as shown in The Mighty Thor, and not Norse Mythology on its own.
10:33:05 AM Jun 19th 2012
It's too bad that the pickup truck wasn't worthy.
09:16:07 AM Jun 22nd 2012
Indeed. Poor misunderstood truck.

Now, I think it's a pity Loki wasn't worthy. Imagine what The Avengers might look like if he was...
11:25:55 AM Apr 26th 2012
When he tells the warriors to return to the point of entry on Jotenheim at the start of the film, Thor looks outnumbered until he unleashes lightning and kills everything. It seems that this is his MO - whack with a hammer and, failing that, lightning powers. Could this therefore count as 'I am not left-handed' because he generally fights without his full God of Thunder repetoire unless he really needs to zap something? Or would the simple fact that he is Thor, God of Thunder mean that everyone knows he is capable of his non-hammer abilities and completely avoid the trope?
09:14:47 AM Jun 22nd 2012
edited by ayy
I think that's just Thor being awesome. Loki's duplicate standing in front of a cliff to trick a Jotun into running off it might count.

11:31:49 AM Nov 11th 2011
I'm not sure I'd buy Extremely Short Timespan as only two or three days.

I had the feeling it was a few weeks compressed as the viewer sees it.

03:27:16 PM Sep 3rd 2012
It did seem to be about the span of a weekend, but someone should look through Fury's Big Week to be sure.
09:23:00 PM Oct 21st 2011
I don't see how there's any Foe Yay in this movie? I never noticed anything going on between Sif and Loki in any kind of way, somebody please explain this to me. I must have missed something.
05:02:53 PM Oct 22nd 2011
Shippers see literally every interaction as being attraction.
01:53:01 PM Jan 19th 2012
I don't see it either.
01:58:22 PM Jan 19th 2012
Yeah, that's why honestly I'd be in favor of nixing all the -Yay tropes altogether. So, so many "examples" are just shippers seeing what they want to see. One character gives another basic human courtesy? Clearly, he wants in his pants. One character makes fun of another? He's hinting at his true feelings that he loves him. One character acknowledges the other's existence in the vaguest way? It's meant to be!

It's ridiculous.
02:07:34 PM Jan 19th 2012
@ Mr Death

I don't mind the Yay-tropes because as I understand them, they are more about the fanbase (as you pointed out) than about the work.

I moved the Foe Yay here to the YMMV-entries.
02:09:29 PM Jan 19th 2012
Yeah, but when everyone sees everything as some type of Ho/Foe/Les-Yay, it loses all meaning and becomes pointless.
02:22:35 PM Jan 19th 2012
Tell me about it. In the Death Note entry there is a whole subpage dedicated to batshit crazy pairings.

Maybe the Foe Yay entry about Loki and Sif should be removed completely? I mean the question has been posted in Oct 2011 and nobody bothered to explain the "certain way" you have to look at their interactions. On the other hand, YMMV is YMMV.
02:26:28 PM Jan 19th 2012
I'm convinced the "certain way" to look at it is to have decided that they're ~mean to be~ because you're writing the fanfic already.
09:12:27 AM Jun 22nd 2012
WHAT? The only thing that even resembles Foe Yay there is Loki making her kneel to him! WHAAAAAAT?? Sorry, brain exploded. That'd be, Loki and Heimdall as a pairing. That's how extroardinarily strange that is to see it. (Please don't tell me there actually are Loki/Heimdall pairings out there. My mind can't take it.)
02:22:10 PM Jul 30th 2011
edited by Jordan
Being a law geek here, but the troper who stated that Jane's fourth amendment rights were violated was not correct (and Jane herself was kind of wrong too- she could use Darcy's political science expertise). The Fourth Amendment only would come in if Jane was charged with a crime and the illegally seized notes were used against her as evidence. Otherwise, she'd be out-of-luck. The recourse for someone whose rights are violated by the government and isn't a criminal defendant generally comes through a provision called section 1983.

I think another troper did have a point about a 5th amendment basis, although that would be hard to win, since the notes aren't really worth much in themselves.

In any case, SHIELD covered their bases by paying her off (although really, I can't see anyone successfully suing an agency no one knows exists).
07:29:23 AM Jun 7th 2011
edited by SpiritOfSahara
Just asking for the sake of consistency - does anybody know which spelling of Bifrost/Bifröst and Mjolnir/Mjölnir is used in the comic?

I've seen both in this article, and even though I'm tempted to change everything to what I'm used to (being scandinavian) it's probably better to go after the comic.
07:46:37 AM Jun 7th 2011
I imagine they're probably interchangeable based mainly on whether the writer remembers to use the umlauts.
09:08:02 AM Jun 22nd 2012
Or which writers computer HAS the umlauts.
12:58:37 PM May 23rd 2011
This might seem a silly question. . . but do we have any actual evidence that the guards at the vault when the Jotuns first tried to steal the Cask were killed? Yes, they were both stabbed. . . but note that we've seen Asgardians can take quite a serious pounding and yet live. Fandral got impaled through his chest, and wasn't even unconscious, for example.
01:04:11 PM May 23rd 2011
They were stabbed and frozen solid, and then never followed up on. That seemed pretty dead to me. Okay, yes, Heimdall was frozen too, but he's significantly more badass than a couple of redshirts.
10:55:44 PM May 4th 2011
I want to add an entry for the scene that goes like: Coulson: ...Keep him away from bars Selvig: You got it. . . . Thor: So where are we going? Selvig: The bar, I need a drink. Is there any trope that fits this? I feel like there should be.
04:16:25 PM May 7th 2011
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