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ablackraptor Since: Dec, 2010
Oct 13th 2021 at 11:07:37 PM •••

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That's not really the case? Elsewhere on the page there's a Questionable Consent entry noted that says because Gawain was a guest who had earlier been beaten up, his consent in the Lady's "game" is questionable (because he's vulnerable and emotionally distressed and in need of support). Checking history, it was added by the same user, and it seems to be they're rationalising Questionable Consent with a male character = Double Standard.

But, even accepting this idea of "Gawain was vulnerable" = Questionable Consent, I don't think this is any different than the very common Rescue Romance trope, IE "damsel was just in danger/possibly about to be raped even, but after the hero saves them they immediately make romantic gestures and it's not seen as creepy."

With how prominent that trope is, and how it's mostly male-rescues/romances-vulnerable-female, calling this a Double Standard is incorrect. Especially also, when this is a work that's set in a fantasy/historical setting where Deliberate Values Dissonance is in play anyhow.

CaptainCrawdad Since: Aug, 2009
Oct 3rd 2021 at 12:29:44 AM •••

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  • Green Aesop: Subtle, but there. The Green Knight being a Plant Person hints at this, Lady Bertilak gives a long speech about how nature always wins, and Gawain's vision of his dishonorable Bad Future involves much environmental destruction in Camelot.

This doesn't really strike me as a Green Aesop. If anything, the Lady's speech says that it's OK to kill nature when it's growing where you don't want it (like tile floors or a wound). The land being tied to the health of the nation also has nothing to do with a message of taking care of the environment. The land is dying because it's artistically tied to the health of the kingdom, not because Gawain has bad environmental policies.

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