Film Return Of The Jedi Discussion

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08:22:43 PM Nov 28th 2013
I was wondering if the 'Book Ends' trope would apply to this film (or some other closely-related trope). At the end of the lightsabre duel at Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith, Anakin is caught in flames from the flowing lava, which could symbolize the end of Anakin and the birth of Vader. At the end of Return of the Jedi, Vader's armor and flames meet again, this time during the cremation, probably symbolizing the end of Vader, and the return of Anakin to the light side of the Force.
10:21:34 PM Nov 28th 2013
That would be for the page about the series in general, but look at the definition of Book Ends again just to be sure if it fits.
11:28:24 PM Jul 31st 2012
Could you please explain why the "accounted for" part is not covered by justified trope angle? Thanks

Thing is Vader certainly improves from IV to V in agility etc, it comes from sequel escalation characterization marches on and all that but no in-universe reasons are suggested in the original trilogy frame IIRC

07:30:28 AM Aug 1st 2012
Why does it matter? No point is ever made of it in the film; this is just us noodling around.
12:05:13 PM Jul 23rd 2012

This example is not a valid one, in my opinion. It is true that Vader did not improve his abilities in anticipation of Luke's return, but it's accounted for by (a) the fact that he's old and, well, half-robot; (b) the fact that Palpatine fully intends to replace him with Luke.
12:35:55 PM Jul 23rd 2012
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I added it, while I thought the accounted for thing would fall under Justified Trope in line with the current http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/PlayingWith/VillainForgotToLevelGrind, I expected the main thing against its addition would be it's a Video Game trope or for Matrix-like digital worlds and the likes with quantified power levels etc. It's streching it for the star wars moviverse

edit : nevermind
12:44:03 PM Jul 23rd 2012
As it happens, I'm not curating the Dark Knight Rises article so I didn't see that. If there are more than a few conflicts as to what constitutes a valid example, they should be taken to the Trope Talk forum.