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TrevMUN Internet Wanderer Since: Apr, 2010
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Aug 18th 2013 at 3:18:45 PM •••

While I was moving this from the Main to Creator namespaces, I removed the "scarily plausible" bit from this:

17th Apr '11 8:11:34 AM DSFARGEG
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* Titan, a scarily plausible 20 Minutes into the Future book about an expedition to Titan.

DSFARGEG wants us to believe this book is "scarily plausible." Let's take a look at the Wikipedia synopsis, shall we?

"... America is ruled by a fundamentalist Christian president named Xavier Maclachlan who, believing Earth is the centre of the universe, orders the equal treatment of the Ptolemaic model of the solar system in high school curricula ..."

"... forcing NASA to develop ethnically-targeted biological weapons tailored to attack Han Chinese ..."

"... with the shuttle Endeavour ready to carry the crew to space, an insane USAF general driven by shallow militarism and hatred for space exploration tries to shoot down the shuttle during lift off ... "

This is plausible to you, DSFARGEG? I find that extremely offensive. I can forgive Stephen Baxter for depicting America this way because his depictions of America, its government, and its military vary wildly from book to book, and do not seem to indicate any personal beliefs he has about Americans.

But for you to claim, in effect, that the United States is all but ready to elect a tyrant with beliefs on the level of a member of the Flat Earth Society to the presidency, force NASA to develop biological weapons, and wage ethnic cleansing on China?

That pisses me off. Greatly. I've seen that I'm not the only one who has taken issue with this, either, given that AJ Talon tried to tag DSFARGEG's statement as YMMV (only for mlsmithca to remove the tag invoking Examples Are Not Arguable, yet not remove the offending claim, which says a lot about mlsmithca's opinions of the United States as well).

Seriously. That this garbage remained on TV Tropes for two years, and was defended by another troper, is disgraceful. Shame on you guys.

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KnightofNASA Since: Jan, 2013
Oct 8th 2013 at 10:13:41 PM •••

Okay, so I agree that most of the element of the story cannot happen (it is illegal for NASA to engage in weapon development as stated in Space Act), but the ethnicity cleansing has its basis in reality. Mc Carthyism forced one prominent Chinese Caltech employee into Catch-22. More recently, Bo Jiang was forced off American soil on the charge of espionage by Rep. Frank Wolf with the only evidence being "he is Chinese, carried two laptops, and works for AIA" (they found out there is only porn on the laptop). And since it is alternate history, WWII might not have happened but NASA still chartered, eugenic may still be an acceptable idea in Titanland like it's before WWII and civil rights movement. (I haven't read the book yet, correct me if I am wrong)

ptgoings Since: May, 2018
May 16th 2018 at 10:58:33 AM •••

"the United States is all but ready to elect a tyrant with beliefs on the level of a member of the Flat Earth Society to the presidency"

ROTFLMAO!!!

spectralmania Mr Since: Oct, 2014
Mr
Feb 11th 2015 at 12:31:14 PM •••

The link to the novel Titan is directing to the wrong novel. I have no idea how to change it so hopefully someone will read this.

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Shnakepup Since: May, 2010
Feb 11th 2015 at 1:47:31 PM •••

Removed the link, doesn't look like we have a dedicated page for Titan anyway. Also remove the redlink for Moonseed.

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