Regarding Thor's Van Helsing Hate Crimes: I don't really see why it shouldn't fit. Thor doesn't show hostility to Skadi or Gerd, but actually I don't think his relationship to Skadi or Gerd is mentioned anywhere at all.
"He only fights giants where their presence causes an imbalance" does not sound entirely convincing considering that according to Prose Edda, Hyrokkin was called to Asgard by the gods themselves when none of their own was able to push the ship Hringhorn. She was actually helping the gods. There were are also "many frost-giants and mountain-giants" attending Baldur's funeral, and they were not perceived as intruders.
And Starkad wasn't in Asgard or anywhere special when he was cursed. Thor simply resented the grandson of a giant receiving blessings from Odin.
Thor certainly does not kill all giants on sight, but he has a strong dislike for them and will attack or even kill them for disproportionately minor reasons.
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The reason I took it out was that a hate crime is against someone for some contrived reason, i.e. their ethnicity. Thor says (in at least one piece of lore, I can't recall at the moment) that his reason for attacking giants in Midgard is to keep the balance.
If you want to rewrite the example with another explanation, then I don't think that's a problem. I just don't see it as an attack on giants because they are giants. I could be wrong, of course. Yay discussion!
The Myths seem tad inconsistent with this. His reaction to Hyrokkin does seem out of line. Reading make me wonder if i am missing some key detail, Did Thor know of her? Did she do something offensive? Was he mad she showed him up? Hes also a dick to that random dwarf in that story. His reaction to the disguised Utgard Loki is kind of 50/50 since in that case he seemed to think he intended them harm. Other stories showed him pretty quick to attack any at the drop of the hat.
But other times he is ambivalent or even pleasant with "giants" like Grid, presumably jarnsaxa or ( her name escapes me) the one who attempted to help him remove a shard of wetstone from his head. And of course there is thors own mother, skadi, gerd, and any others that seem to inhabit asgard alongside him without issue
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The angrboda character section is wonky and seems to assume Hyrrokkin is the same person or confused the two. There is also a bunch of stuff about her heart that i am not sure what its based on, its not from the eddas and I cant find any reference to it online outside a version wrote by some shaman writer named Raven Kaldera
In fact a lot of entries on the character page seem to have taken "information " from a "loki in myth" tumbler page... that put politely is iffy in its analysis.
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Does anyone know anything about Frigg's lie detecting necklace? I've been reading up on Norse mythology and I can't find any info about it anywhere else.
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I've never heard of it either. If she has one, I so wanna read about it! :)
Loki: I removed the "Woobie" trope from him. I am not aware of Loki ever been really considered sympathetic in a modern perspective. In most if not all cases like the one mentioned Loki created the mess in the first place and was forced by the Aesir to take responsibility for the problems he created.
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Several of those stories just hand wave Loki as the culprit for everything bad, with no explanation of how he could've possibly been the cause, let alone why he'd bother. Loki's still not a Woobie, though.
Odin —-I changed the entry on Odin and removed "Too Dumb to Live." I tried to make the entry a bit more balanced to show the differences from Zeus. Odin's tendency for self-sacrifice and lack of absolute power along with the darker world he lived in in viewed by some as making many of his actions necessary while still being a ruthless bastard. This is compared to Zeus who holds almost absolute power and does what he does not out of necessity, but because he can.
I removed "Too dumb to live" because I think that is closer to a modern viewpoint instead of how the Norse would have seen it. Odin knew Ragnarok was coming and who would play what parts in it. The monsters trapped and giants would have been seen by the Norsemen as chaotic forces the gods had to fight against just like how many of the monsters the Greek heroes slayed had to be put down. Such beings were clear threats to gods and men so they had to be stopped.
The question to be asked is: Did the Norse gods imprisoning those monsters make them enemies or would they have been enemies anyways and imprisoning them was the only wise thing to do? A modern perspective would hold the first viewpoint. The ancient Norse view would have been the second.
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- Mediator: He apparently acts as this to disagreeing parties, as it's mentioned that no one who leaves his hall leaves dissatisfied.
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