Discussion Characters / MyHeroAcademiaLeagueOfVillains

Dabi is a notorious villain and mass murderer but you can't shift the complete blame on him when he was a child and the chapter goes to show that Endeavor did neglect him even if it was unitentionally but it is hinted that Endeavor didn't have more children for Toya's sake he had them in hopes of the perfect heir.

For what it's worth, the words 'weak constitution' are used on his wiki page as well. Also, I can't see your screencap.

Changed the links so they'd display, just add the file extensions and they should work. The official translation is "He took after Rei in constitution".

Man, sucks that that's on his wiki page. It doesn't change that it's inaccurate though.

Seconded

She was part of Shigaraki's crew post-All For One

And the first to be killed.

And?

Link looks broken, it leads to a 404.

(Copying from my reply on Shigaraki's page).

Links apparently don't work. The discussion is called "A Concerning Trend" over on ATT. Long story short, vidkid and I discussed the swath of entries/parts of entries deleted here and on Shigaraki's page. vid agrees they might have been a bit hasty in deleting them and we've talked about the contentiousness and possible speculation of some of the entries on both pages. We're hoping to discuss it to try to lessen the cycle of add-delete-added by someone else. As such, some entries may be due for re-addition and/or rewording.

(Spoiler tags apparently do not work in discussions so watch out for unmarked spoilers I guess.)

Well this is a public wiki, so anyone is free to edit it and without official citations, information is subject to contention. Changes should be discussed between the users editing the pages to come to a consensus to avoid an Edit War. If a discussion cannot be made with a user, bring it to Ask The Tropers to request a lock.

In this case though, it's adding information prematurely; the information is one thing, but it's being added before the official source is out.

Hi Emerald,

Sorry for the late reply.

I think a big point of disagreement seems to be along the lines of Humanisation vs Morality.

To bypass this disagreement, it seems to me that the best solution is to look at the entries that lean too much one way or the other, and reword them in a manner that can appease both parties.

For instance, rather than using the Hypocrite trope to describe Toga's reaction to Twice's death, Moral Myopia would be a better alternative - as it accurately encapsulates the situation without either downplaying or exaggerating the context within which the situation takes place.

Yeah, I think Hypocrite can be encapsulated under Moral Myopia for Toga.

Done and done

Villain Has a Point requires that a hero in-universe admits the villain has a point so I don't think Dabi counts.

Handling Spoilers says that you aren't allowed to do mostly white entries.

There are several warnings about spoilers on the pages already. If people do not heed them, thats on them. The very nature of Dabi's identity means its next to impossible to speak about him without revealing his identity.

Not only is this a ZCE ("How is the Veronica?"), the removal is correct as Himiko is just not actually a Love Interest to Midoriya.

Reading through the trope page, I think Betty and Veronica is an unfortunate victim of not keeping up with how trope standards have changed.

It's clearly been written to reflect a time back when tropes tried to fit every single possible variation, meaning, and example under one trope...instead of picking just one narrow idea and meaning and splitting the rest into sister tropes. For example, take the second paragraph which states "this trope is almost endlessly flexible". A statement like that wouldn't fly in TLP today, nor would the entire essay of text written after which tries to spell out every single stray meaning of the trope.

Anyway, based on how Betty and Veronica looks now, I'd argue that Himiko might fit based on how all over the place the Betty and Veronica trope is. However, my personally-proposed solution would be to propose a new trope that combines this with Villainesses Want Heroes and Dating Catwoman to describe a Archie/Betty/Villain dynamic like this show has.

Be that as it may, the base of the trope still requires both characters being an actual Love Interest for Archie which Himiko really isn't. The fourth to last paragraph (... jesus, that is needlessly long) specifically calls out fandom exaggerating shipping to debate this: Do be aware that fans like to exaggerate potential relationships and then goes into discussion on shipping, which is obviously YMMV. Midoriya and Himiko has no potential relationship.

^ Given that Love Interest is an index and that Yandere is a trope listed on it, I don't think it's as simple as you're making it.

This isn't really a question of shipping; Himiko is clearly attracted to Izuku (AND Ochako, for that matter), whether or not her interest is returned.

I don't think you're completely wrong, but you're not completely right, either. The only real solution that I see is the trope split I mentioned before.

I agree with Larkmarn. Toga and Midoriya have no potential relationship which means that they are not in a Betty and Veronica type situation. Looking at the page, the "Archie" needs to have some interest in "the Veronica" at some point. Midoriya doesn't and is not going to fall in love with Toga. Toga's love is completely unrequited which makes her more of a Villainesses Want Heroes than "a Veronica".

As for a new/split trope, isn't there a Hero/Hero/Villain love triangle trope in TLP? I thought I saw one. Edit: Nevermind. It either doesn't exist or was discarded.

I don't think yandere's inclusion on Love Interest is as relevant as the fact that Hopeless Suitor isn't on that list. Yanderes can and frequently are love interests, hell they often win.

Honestly, looking at your post I'd actually be more easily convinced that Himiko is the Archie, as at least she has precisely the same chance with Midoriya as she does Uraraka. To put it another way, I could possibly be convinced that while she's not a love interest for Midoriya, both he and Uraraka can be considered love interests for her because there at least, you know, is interest.

See, I'm thinking of this in terms of narrative, not specifics of character. The way I approach it is, if either of those characters are Love Interests for Himiko, then, by default, she is a Love Interest for them. The story either proposes the idea, or it doesn't.

Again, the trope calls itself "endlessly flexible", and the way the Heroaca presents Himiko, she is clearly meant to be an obstacle within the Ochako/Izuku pairing. I sincerely doubt that Himiko will ever upgrade to have Izuku's true interest or infatuation, but the narrative continues to place her as the role of a temptress or predator (see the License Exam arc, which was clearly written to be sexually uncomfortable).

There's also the fact that the trope pages themselves do not discount villains whom a character has ZERO interest in as being "Veronicas". For example, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast, and Jack Sparrow (who never even had a shot with Elizabeth aside from one kiss she uses as a distraction).

Thus, my position stands: as the trope was originally written, Himiko was probably the type of character who would have qualified as the "Veronica". However, the trope has evolved into a much more narrow definition that should be pruned so that characters who have zero chance with the "Archie" but have clear interest or infatuation can be part of their own Hero/Hero/Villain version.

I don't understand why you're even trying to make this a thing: Izuku has no intentions of dating Himiko, like none at all, let alone having sex with her.

As far as the series goes, there is no actual Love Triangle or any relationship. Let's wait for it to turn up for real before we start going on about who's dating who.

^ I don't think any of that was the point of the discussion.

There's the trope Knockout Gas