Administrivia No New Stock Phrases Discussion

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06:21:48 AM Jul 31st 2014
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Either stock phrases are okay, or they're not. If they're not, then all previous stock phrase pages should be discarded. I just stumbled upon But This Is Ridiculous, which seems to be a prime example of why no more such pages were wanted. Shouldn't the vast majority of stock phrase pages be discarded (keeping the few that really work, of course)?

PS. I'm in the camp of keeping the pages, but if so then new pages should be allowed to be created. This category of pages just doesn't seem worthy of a Grandfather Clause just because they predate the rule.
11:29:43 AM Jul 31st 2014
Yeah, we are trying to get rid of dialogue titled "tropes" or turn them into proper tropes with proper names too. But This Is Ridiculous strikes me as a good Trope Repair Shop case - only 26 wicks and most of the examples are quotations and the description is focused on the quote text as well.
06:43:43 AM Mar 22nd 2015
So are we ready for a forum thread or other method to force the mods to either...

1. Delete or rename all pages with Stock Phrase titles, dispensing with all instances of Grandfather Clause protection. 2. Relax the No New Stock Phrases rule. More enforcement to stop simple lists of course, perhaps by requiring all such pages to have a custodian troper to keep an eye on things and stop degeneration.

06:56:05 AM Mar 22nd 2015
Uh, we don't have to push stuff through quite so one-sidedly. Gradually removing Stock Phrase pages is also on the cards.
03:48:17 PM May 11th 2017
Should we move this to Ask the Tropers or the forum?

05:21:58 AM May 15th 2013
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This just bugs me because now we have an unfinished list of stock phrases. And here I really wanted to start the "My god..." page, which definitely deserves one.
03:10:57 PM Sep 6th 2012
Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times characters sat on chairs" — (think about it for a moment).

OK, I've thought about it for a moment, but I'm stumped - is there any fridge brilliance here?
05:56:24 PM Dec 10th 2012
edited by aaeyero
Nope, just another Sink Hole. This page has way too many. (Troper tics... seriously?!?)
08:14:29 AM Jan 12th 2012
Is this only for stock phrases describing a trope rather than dialogue? There are some bits of dialogue that come up often enough in different works to deserve their own pages. If, for instance the advertising line "Ask your doctor if medicine X is right for you." becomes common enough to need it's own page it seems reasonable to name it after the dialogue. What would be wrong would be a trope named "Ask your doctor" was about horrible medical advice after a new movie showed a villain convincing people to take psycho serum with this type of advertising.
12:49:51 PM Jan 14th 2012
edited by Stratadrake
To call it bluntly: Single-Issue Wonk of the wiki's overall webmaster, who has unilaterally cut newly launched pages (not that many, but it's happened just the same) for this very reason.

Me? I don't agree with the decision itself, but I do support the reasoning behind it. (Which may be ironic as I was the primary drafter of this one's YKTTW.)
04:05:53 PM Mar 23rd 2013
edited by immortalfrieza
I don't agree with this decision either, since using stock phrases and character dialog to name tropes helps make searching for said tropes using the search function easier, and thus helps the trope page be more popular and keep the page from becoming dead, in other words, have hardly anything added to it. However, if that's the rule, I guess that's the rule.
01:13:39 AM Mar 24th 2013
^ That's not really true. One of the reasons dialogue titles were disallowed was because statistics showed that most dialogue-like names had failed to thrive within and outside the site.
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