History Administrivia / NoNewStockPhrases

28th Sep '15 5:27:02 AM Arivne
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** Specific exceptions: TwoWordsICantCount (specific moderator approval)

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** Specific exceptions: TwoWordsICantCount (specific moderator approval)(moderator approved)



** Specific exceptions: StopHittingYourself (specific moderator approval)

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** Specific exceptions: StopHittingYourself (specific moderator approval)(moderator approved)
28th Sep '15 5:26:09 AM Arivne
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** Specific exceptions: TwoWordsICantCount (specific moderator approval)


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** Specific exceptions: StopHittingYourself (specific moderator approval)
24th Jul '15 4:30:24 AM Arivne
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** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, LookAtThemGo, ItsTheirs, ItsAllTheirFault

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** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, LookAtThemGo, ThatsUpToThem, ItsTheirs, ItsAllTheirFault
24th Jul '15 2:04:49 AM Arivne
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* The big one: They '''do not work'''. That is, they don't get adopted as the name of a trope. They get no inbound links.

* We don't want our editors thinking that the trope is about characters merely '''saying the phrase'''. Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs characters sat on chairs]]". The trope is established by the surrounding context, the actual phrase or dialogue which occurred is merely incidental and thus Administrivia/NotATrope. The reason the author wrote the line, the thing he or she wanted to accomplish to advance the story being told, ''that's'' the trope.

* Many older StockPhrase articles were at some point written as "A ''common phrase'' said when...", placing emphasis on the exact words used instead of the actual trope that prompted them. This is bad trope formatting, and one of the reasons it even became a problem at all.

* We don't want every example section getting [[TVTropesMoreLikeTVQuotes formatted like a list of quotations]]. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just ''look'' better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules quotation markup]]. It ''can'' be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occurred in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a [[Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample properly formatted citation]], not in lieu of one.

* Sometimes a StockPhrase ... just '''isn't a stock phrase.''' If it could occur for a variety of unrelated reasons, then we can't pick ''just one'' to use for the trope -- the phrase is too broad, and will get misused when editors only see the name. Doubly so if combined with the list-of-quotations issue described above. This is the same reason we don't like naming tropes after characters anymore, because characters of fiction are remembered for too many ''different'' reasons to pick just "that one".

* Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become {{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)

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* # The big one: They '''do not work'''. That is, they don't get adopted as the name of a trope. They get no inbound links.

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We don't want our editors thinking that the trope is about characters merely '''saying the phrase'''. Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs characters sat on chairs]]". The trope is established by the surrounding context, the actual phrase or dialogue which occurred is merely incidental and thus Administrivia/NotATrope. The reason the author wrote the line, the thing he or she wanted to accomplish to advance the story being told, ''that's'' the trope. \n\n*
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Many older StockPhrase articles were at some point written as "A ''common phrase'' said when...", placing emphasis on the exact words used instead of the actual trope that prompted them. This is bad trope formatting, and one of the reasons it even became a problem at all.

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We don't want every example section getting [[TVTropesMoreLikeTVQuotes formatted like a list of quotations]]. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just ''look'' better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules quotation markup]]. It ''can'' be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occurred in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a [[Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample properly formatted citation]], not in lieu of one.

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Sometimes a StockPhrase ... just '''isn't a stock phrase.''' If it could occur for a variety of unrelated reasons, then we can't pick ''just one'' to use for the trope -- the phrase is too broad, and will get misused when editors only see the name. Doubly so if combined with the list-of-quotations issue described above. This is the same reason we don't like naming tropes after characters anymore, because characters of fiction are remembered for too many ''different'' reasons to pick just "that one".

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Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become {{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)
2nd May '15 12:09:02 AM Arivne
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How do you avoid having your trope name sound like a line of dialog? Here are some things to avoid:

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How do you avoid having your trope name sound like a line of dialog? dialog (i.e. someone speaking)? Here are some things to avoid:
31st Mar '15 11:08:50 AM N1KF
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A TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the {{YKTTW}} should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]

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A TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the {{YKTTW}} should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]
6th Feb '15 1:16:49 AM Arivne
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** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem, StopHittingYourself

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** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem, StopHittingYourselfGetOverYourself
5th Feb '15 12:19:56 AM Arivne
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** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem
** O.K.: SensingYouAreOutmatched ("you" refers to yourself, not another), YouTurn (pun on U-turn)

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** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem
ThatsYourProblem, StopHittingYourself
** O.K.: SensingYouAreOutmatched ("you" refers to yourself, the speaker, not another), YouTurn (pun on U-turn)
5th Feb '15 12:14:27 AM Arivne
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* It uses the words "you" or "your" as if they're directed toward someone else.

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* It uses the words "you" or "you", "your" or "yourself" as if they're directed toward someone else.
9th Dec '14 3:10:20 AM Arivne
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* It uses the words "his", "hers", "they", "them" or "theirs" to refer to a character or characters.
** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, LookAtThemGo, ItsTheirs

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* It uses the words "his", "hers", "they", "them" "them", "their" or "theirs" to refer to a character or characters.
** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, LookAtThemGo, ItsTheirsItsTheirs, ItsAllTheirFault
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