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Candi Since: Aug, 2012
13th Feb, 2017 09:21:34 PM

I'd say it at least needs a scrubbing. Yow.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
13th Feb, 2017 09:37:57 PM

Agreed.

It is just such a mess because it looks like someone with a "everything is offensive" mentality got a hold of it. The real examples like blatant racism/homophobia or old hands putting down women who join the force are buried under a mess of extreme reaching and shoe-horning.

The Star Trek section in particular is a NIGHTMARE of what looks like blatant misuse of the trope.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
14th Feb, 2017 07:38:32 AM

James Bond's promiscuity typically is seen as sexist, even In-Universe. The typical reaction by women to James Bond is either "ugh, what a neanderthal" or "ugh, what a neanderthal....that I'm strangely compelled to".

Out of universe, we have the infamous ass-slap where he dismissed a woman so that he could do "man talk", which is almost universally seen as pretty sexist nowadays.

If it were up to me, the first thing I'd work out is the part of the description which says the trope is caused by Writer on Board, Values Dissonance, and Deliberate Values Dissonance. One of those tropes is YMMV, which ultimately opens the door for the rest of the trope to be, also.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
14th Feb, 2017 07:41:43 AM

Sometimes I wonder whether the Political Correctness redirect is the actual problem child. That needs to be its own page, not jammed into the more specific Political Correctness Gone Bad trope.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
14th Feb, 2017 02:17:09 PM

I'd say the James Bond entry needs re-written then because it's vague and specify ANY of that. It's just a paragraph of complaining he sleeps around without explaining where the problematic elements arise. Agreed with the part that mentioning YMMV tropes as examples could be making the trope read to broad to some people.

^You mean Political Correctness Gone Mad, your pothole is one word off.

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