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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#8701: Jul 20th 2016 at 8:52:00 PM

As the comment way down says, that's what the AK-12 is for.

Seriously though, you could do a lot better than the stock rear sights.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8702: Jul 20th 2016 at 9:53:19 PM

Sight radius on the AKM is so short I'm surprised at the accuracy requirements our useful notes page on the Russian army says their soldiers have to reach. The Galil got it right, though. Moved the rear sight all the way back.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#8703: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:03:22 PM

Well today got a little bit too real and too hot. Long story short we had a situation involving a deactivated school building and a number of vagrants, homeless kids and junkies and drug dealers breaking into and occupying the place. Police swept the area yesterday but during some cleanup today me and my boss were checking the lower level and we had movement down there but given it was dark as fuck and couldn't see shit, we fell back upstairs and evac'd all our guys out and let the cops do another sweep. I think the guy in the lower level skedaddled when we were in the process of evacing and forming a perimeter outside.

Needless to say Pueblo is getting a bit too hot so I needs to get me a pistol in real short order. (If anything to keep in the car though I can't carry at work.) Any suggestions? 9mm, .40 cal, .45 ACP I'm open to all non-Glocks. (Only because I want to be able to buy ammo in multiples of 20 so I can have 3+ full mags available. So capacity wise looking at minimum 6 to a maximum 15.)

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8704: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:08:03 PM

9mm is fine in general. S&W and .45 ACP work as well but you can usually get a few more rounds in mags on smaller guns with 9mm. 9mm is easy to control and keep on target. Lost of ammo choices and lots of fire arm choices. If it is car gun you can opt for full sized pistols unless you plan to carry it CCL elsewhere. If you go CCL outside of work a compact might work better.

Try a few out at a gun range and see what fits you best. Then once you get that far make sure you take a few courses on gun use laws and maybe some self defense courses to help you learn handling.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:10:24 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8705: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:54:41 AM

If it's only so the numbers come out even, the Glock models 19 and 22 each hold 15 rounds in their magazines. A Glock 17 with a +2 extension on its mag would hold 20 rounds total (17 normal capacity, 19 with the extension, plus one in the chamber.)

I like Glocks, if only because they're simple, reliable, and largely impervious to the elements. If the gun is going to live in your car and be subjected to extremes of temperature and humidity, you want something that's not going to rust over the weekend and jam up on you when you need it.

Most any of the newer polymer-framed semiauto pistols would be suitable, but if you're on a budget, you'd have a better chance of finding a used Glock at a decent price, since they've been around for so long.

Alternatively, you could just get a stainless-steel revolver, if you're not hung up on capacity.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:06:57 AM by pwiegle

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#8706: Jul 23rd 2016 at 6:25:41 PM

extremes of temperature and humidity,

In Colorado, we have the first but rarely the second. Most of the state does qualify for steppe or desert climates. Firearms preserve well out here provided you don't drop them in a river or leave them out in a snowstorm.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#8707: Jul 23rd 2016 at 7:33:49 PM

I envy you. In Pennsylvania, the temperature and humidity can be all over the place. We have a saying: "If you don't like the weather, just wait a minute."

I managed to rust a stainless steel revolver, carrying it tucked into the waistband of my trousers, underneath my shirt, during a summer heat wave. Although I wiped it down regularly, my sweat got underneath the grips and pitted the frame.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#8708: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:34:09 AM

We have a saying: "If you don't like the weather, just wait a minute."

Same here, especially in the spring. Especially mid-March to late April. One moment it can be 75 degrees with 20% or less humidity and the next thing you know you have a blizzard bearing down upon you. (And the blizzard in question being completely unpredicted.)

That's a very common thing in and around the mountains. In the summer like right now you get hot and dry most of the day....until the monsoon storms roll in later in the afternoon. (Sometimes however like yesterday those storms are more lightning than rain so it doesn't do much to cool things down.)

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#8709: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:54:55 PM

Glock vs microwave

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#8710: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:15:12 PM

That man has the most bizarre hobby.

I had a bad feeling about it as soon as I saw that the hull of the door was compromised.

I guess he didn't consider that the high intensity electromagnetic waves would EMP his camera, eh?

edited 24th Jul '16 8:17:16 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8711: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:28:05 PM

Well we know the AR-680 steel level III plates won't stop M855A1. It blows clean through.

However the level III Ceramic plates seem to get the job done. Lesson learned use the ceramic inserts

For you 7.62mm fans say hello to the M80A1 the EPR style round in NATO 7.62mm. There is an article about it on TFB but I can't link from here.

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#8712: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:19:53 PM

A thing that crops up in gun and rifle forums (and an Urban Legend) is that small calibers like the .222/5.56mm et al "produce wounds instead of a One Hit K Ill". Trust me, someone will say that the .223/5.56 is a "poodle shooter" or say "The Geneva Convention man! Those rounds make wounded soldiers so the enemy has to treat'em!"

Please don't take a drink whenever this happens, you liver will hate you.

Comes now the Firearm Blog with their response:

For the sake of this article, I’ll characterize this problem as a perceived trend recognized on several occasions of small caliber (below 0.277″/7mm) cartridges producing wounds that are ineffective at stopping or killing the enemy.

This trend has been noticed several times by multiple nations, including Japan in the early 1900s, Italy during the same period, Russia in the 1980s, and the United States between 1990 and 2010. What causes this, though? Is it really as simple as small calibers being just too small to effectively kill or stop a man?

...

Even considering only “through and through” wounds that produce no major wounding effect, there’s very little reason to believe that the wounds produced by calibers between 0.22″ and 0.28″ would be substantially different from those produced by calibers between 0.28″ and 0.32″. From this basis, we instead need to create other theories to explain this phenomenon.

Hit this link for the sauce...

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BREAKING: US Army Introduces New Enhanced Performance Magazine for M4/M16 Series Rifles

The US Army has taken one more step towards further improving the reliability of the controversial M16 and M4 series of rifles, according to a TACOM announcement. The Army is introducing a new pattern of magazine to supplant the older black, green, and tan follower magazines, respectively. Called the “Enhanced Performance Magazine”, the new pattern sports a tan magazine body and a blue follower, for identification, and boasts a 300% increase in the mean number of rounds between stoppages when used in the M4 Carbine.

Sauce at the link. Sadly, a lot of commanders would rather do nothing until the mag they have break down. The Army should take the old ones away and sell them as surplus. That ain't gonna happen. But at least better mags will be in the right hands.

Both Magpul and Brownell's make AR 15/M16 mag upgrades: better follower, spring and floorplates.

And yes T-Hound, there are issues with P-Mags in non-AR/M16/M4 rifles.

edited 31st Jul '16 6:30:16 PM by TairaMai

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8713: Jul 28th 2016 at 12:13:15 AM

taira: Meh i could care less about non-AR weapons for P-Mag. Just about anything is better then those rat houses we have to use most of the time.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#8714: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:57:33 AM

I wonder how well those so called super armor piercing 5.45x39mm rounds would match up to the M855A1's. Those have tungsten penetrator cores if I remember right.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:57:44 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#8715: Jul 28th 2016 at 12:33:17 PM

The main side effect of the AR-15's popularity: It is basically the Lego of firearms. You can build nearly every damn thing with one.

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#8716: Jul 28th 2016 at 12:52:18 PM

Can I Hollywood Silencer it?

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#8717: Jul 28th 2016 at 12:59:57 PM

I bet it's possible to.

You'd probably need some kind of refrigeration setup and a silencer the size of a cooler, and possibly pistol-caliber bullets, but the miracle of Picatinnies is that you can technically attach all the shit in the world to your AR, as long as you can lift it.

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AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#8718: Jul 28th 2016 at 1:54:42 PM

Create a piccatiny mount that attaches to a gimble with the base you can bury in the ground, literally mount the world on your rifle.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#8719: Jul 28th 2016 at 3:28:41 PM

[up][up][up]Consulting my copy of Cartridges of the World (13th Edition)...

There's the .500 Phantom, suitable for AR-10 rifles.

SSK Industries has the .50 American Eagle, but while it'll work in an AR-15 platform, it'll only be a single-shot.

BTW, CotW 13th Ed. was published in 2012, so I'm sure that somebody, somewhere, has come out with something even crazier since then.

edited 28th Jul '16 3:40:12 PM by pwiegle

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8720: Jul 29th 2016 at 2:52:58 AM

Garcon: No idea. Might not hurt to compare them to the 5.56mm Black Tips which also have the tungsten carbide penetrator.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8721: Jul 29th 2016 at 8:40:36 AM

I want that Tactilite in .338 Lapua Magnum. Pity there's little to no ranges that would let me shoot it over here as fuck that bullet's went right through our range butt stops and put a hole in our tea urn.

edit

Boo. They've stopped making that really sexy looking triangular barrel. Bummer.

edited 29th Jul '16 9:04:08 AM by TamH70

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#8722: Jul 29th 2016 at 8:43:20 AM

I wonder where the whole black markings for armor piercing idea started. Ours have black tips, the Russians have black rings.

Oh really when?
Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#8723: Jul 29th 2016 at 9:20:39 AM

What specialty ammo is there for 5.56 NATO?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#8724: Jul 29th 2016 at 9:30:47 AM

Pretty much your normal range of armor piercing, tracer, super armor piercing, hollowpoint, subsonics and I think incendiary. And of course the usual training rounds and blanks and so on.

5.45mm comes in the same flavors but also with some unique underwater rounds for the ADS rifle.

Oh really when?
TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
rollin' on dubs
#8725: Jul 29th 2016 at 8:44:21 PM

A lot of ink was spilled and a lot of electrons murdered to say that the 5.56mm and 9mm are "too weak". Not true but on every forum or letters section of gun mags someone will say "___ rounds are too weak, bring back the 7.62mm/.45ACP/.30-06".

Please don't take a drink when this happens, unless you hate your liver...

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