Hayate works for Eishun, actually, not for Ayaka. Athena is one of the things I haven't decided yet. It doesn't help the only Athena I have any use right now is the SNK one, who probably hangs around Yggdrasil with the likes of Peorth.
The trick is making it darkly comedic, and previously setting them as hateable enough in-story. Finding a combination of both factors would probably take a while, since I'm against killing characters right off the bat (even those who died pre-story at least get some afterlife mileage in bonus snippets) before milking them for at least some worth.
edited 5th Oct '12 4:13:40 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
But Athena isn't actually the goddess...presumably.
The SNK one? It depends. Asamiya Athena doesn't seem to be, but apparently the actual goddess Athena is the red bikini-clad one seen in SNK vs. Capcom Chaos.
Maybe you can make it a case of mistaken identity? Athena's been gone for a while in Yggdrasil, so Skuld things Hayate Athena is goddess Athena.
I was referring to the Hayate one, but yeah. I mean, you're allowed to avert One-Steve Limit, right? Or are you really that invested in combining characters with the same name?
IIRC, Asamiya Athena is implied/hinted to be the not-so-divine earthly incarnation/avatar of the bikini-clad goddess Athena. Some NSFW doujinshi that I've come across have accepted this implied connection as canon, for the record.
edited 5th Oct '12 4:41:48 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I have averted One-Steve Limit before, although mostly with cameos. The Grail War has two Shinjis as Masters now, and two Rins as well (Tohsaka with Vigilante and Kokonoe with Ruler). Another Natsumi might show up eventually as well.
There are also two Chizuru.
More URAE-2814.
After lifting her nose slightly, Skuld pulled a cellphone shaped device out of her breast pocket and held it high. After pressing a button sequence on it, it displayed a 3-D image of a very strange man in black robes, with a hood down, showing his freakishly pale face, long blueish-black hair, and bugging eyes. His posture and expression conveyed a stark sensation of malice and perversity. "Actually," Skuld said, "the same basic chain of events seems to have happened in this world as well, although with a few differences. The Fourth War Caster, in this world, wasn't the young woman you described, but this man. Gilles de Rais, the French noble and warrior turned follower of the black magic, who inspired the bloody legend of Bluebeard. Once a fair and gallant gentleman, the death of his comrade in arms Jeanne D'Arc twisted his mind and pushed him to study the dark arts. He massacred dozens of innocents, especially women and children, in his malevolent experiments for further power. The Church and the king had him executed, but his spirit was brought back to this world by a Japanese serial killer who saw fit to take part in the War as a sick game."
"Okay," Kuro scowled. "Bonus points for dramatic exposition. Continue."
Skuld glared at her before going on. "They captured several children across Fuyuki City in a scheme to set a trap for Saber, whom Caster wrongly believed was Jeanne brought back to life. However, Saber fought her way through the legion of monsters Caster had unleashed upon the city and was able to slay him. Shortly after, Caster's Master was shot and killed by the Magus Killer, Emiya Kiritsugu."
Kuro smiled faintly. "It's good to see no matter the world, Daddy could take care of business. However, from what I saw of the local Shirou-niichan..."
"Yes. The Emiya Kiritsugu who lived in this world has long departed it. Sorry," Skuld said before pressing more keys, now showing a curious looking antropomorphic figure in baggy pants and a green shirt, holding a wide round shiny shield in a way that obscured most of his face. However, a pair of long, dog-like black ears could be seen poking from behind the shield. "Additionally, this was Servant Shield, another participant in that War you apparently lacked. Not that it matters much, since he was the second Servant to fall after Assassin. Shields are excellent at defense, but rarely remarkable at offense compared to Sabers or Lancers. Although the current Shield," the image changed to a shadowy, blurry picture of a tall blond woman holding a sword for a moment, "is a notable exception to that rule."
Kagurazaka and Erebus seemed oddly rattled at seeing that image. Skuld smiled at them. "Something wrong?"
Twilight Red asked warily, "That Shield woman... wouldn't she happen to be...?"
Skuld closed her eyes. "Probably. Although I have no idea who are you talking about."
Chisame grumbled. "You're being misleading and obscure on purpose, aren't you?"
"If anything, I'm saying too much," Skuld sighed, showing everyone another picture, this time one of a thin and dashing young man with short orange hair. "Fourth War Vigilante, also known in life as Robin Hood, or rather, one of the men who took the Robin Hood identity through Prince John Lackland's rule. One of them was a fox-man, back when those beings still roamed this world. True story." She placed a kiss on her own fingers to make her point. "This other 'Robin Hood' was an expert archer, but since an Archer already had been summoned, he fell into the Vigilante class. Vigilantes are expert trackers and patrollers, but tend to fall short in direct physical confrontations. However, they can be almost as good as Assassins in covert missions. Unfortunately for this one, his Master disagreed with his methods, calling them underhanded, and forced him to fight in a direct way that had him killed rather messily by Berserker."
"Tsk," Kuro shook her head. "And there was another extra Servant, you said...?"
"Yes," Skuld said. Now she was displaying the image of a buxom, smiling young woman in tall black boots, a red longcoat, and tight pants, holding a gun in each hand. Her hair was long, of a dark pink tone, and her cleavage was as wide as her roguish smile. Kuro, Haruna and the Chamos all looked on with visible interest. "Servant Stealer, who might have been a Rider if Iskander had not shown up before. In life, she was Sir Francis Drake..."
"But Sir Francis Drake was a man!" Negi protested.
Skuld waved a finger. "That's the history you have been told. Drake was a liar and libertine, a free spirit in an age where women weren't allowed into most positions of power, much less over hardened criminals and seamen. She and those who used her crew's services would spread the news she was, indeed, a man, and she often crossdressed during raids to preserve that impression amongst the survivors. Like most Stealers, she was a Servant specialized in treachery and dirty fighting, and yet she also had a twisted honor code of sorts. She fell to Rider, and her Master perished shortly afterwards at the hands of... ah, but that would be saying too much," she sighed. "As Gods, we aren't usually allowed to speak ill of the church."
"That wasn't amusing," Misora frowned.
"It wasn't intended to be," Skuld shrugged. "Now, Kuro-san," she turned her device off, "I think you were about to tell us about your Fifth War? Now that should be interesting..."
edited 5th Oct '12 8:04:12 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
You want this between the fourth and fifth war lineups? I can probably fit it in, give me a moment…
Poor Negi. He doesn't know that a great deal of supposedly male figures are female according to Nasu. Hey, atleast it's not all of them...
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariUm, only four of the dozens of heroes that Nasu/Type-Moon made Servant profiles for in either the main series or the Apocrypha outlines were Gender Flips, and only two of them made it to the main line (Saber and Red Saber).
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.*Facepalm* It's a joke.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWho says that I'm not messing with you?
edited 6th Oct '12 7:26:06 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.The fact that you didn't even mention El Draque.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWho says that that apparent mistake wasn't deliberate? A test of your own memory, so to speak?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.She's even mentioned right then and there, -.-
Also, 'free spirit' doesn't even begin to describe her. She's more like 'total adventure ho'.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariAh, trying Parody Retcon now?
No offense, Marq, but you've got such a history of missing the jokes it's hard to believe you'd do it on purpose unless you'd be a very dedicated troll. Which I'm sure you ain't.
Suit yourself. Who knows if I wasn't pretending to miss the joke just to give you a false impression...
Or maybe I'm just lying. Who knows?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Happy birthday, Immi-Merctrin.
For the paranoia fuel to work, people has to care about it one way or another...
edited 6th Oct '12 3:25:36 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
Man, I need to start recording birthdays for my e-friends somewhere.
Happy birthday, Immi!
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Zum Geburstag veil Gluck, Immi-hime!
Again, the last edits I've had to my trope page are all natter level edits to singular tropes. ;_;
In other news, hope your birthday is awesome, Immi! (I'm sure Tsukuyomi does too. DOOOHOHOHOHO)
edited 6th Oct '12 4:25:20 PM by Cygnus
You know you want to add more tropes to THIS.
I don't think that's bashing, they're SUPPOSED to cause such a reaction. So, writing the Lancer, Rider and Caster scenes, telling who they actually are.
Will Nagi take Hayate away from Ayaka? Where does Athena fit in?
edited 5th Oct '12 4:10:08 PM by SCMof2814