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You realize there's a guy in another Gundam series named Vagina right?

Also that this is Gundam, and stupid punny names are the norm and should be celebrated.

Wise words Nikkolas. Wise words. Take a badge

-bows- Thank you.

Although a topic just occurred to me. We were discussing the ever so popular Kira Yamato on another board. A guy said he "couldn't believe" Kira had sex with Flay because it just didn't fit the image Kira eventually had. (ie. Jesus)

I pointed out that Kira wasn't always the pure good guy saint of Destiny. In fact, I would argue that someone like Shiro or Banagher come off as more "good" than SEED Kira did. But most Gundam Protags follow a very similar formula so I don't care about Kira or Banagher or Shiro or arguing which one was better.

The topic I wanted to ask about is this. Which Gundam MC is the LEAST heroic?

edited 29th Jul '15 1:20:11 PM by Nikkolas

Well, Flit Asuno is basically Bask Om in his old age. So there's that.

Kou Uraki. He fails to stop operation Stardust and ends up with the woman who betrayed him and abetted mass murder.

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And the answer is...Shinn Asuka. C'mon is really easy guess why.

edited 29th Jul '15 2:13:42 PM by KazuyaProta

Which leads to the question, who is the most heroic?

Well, Setsuna manages to end all war forever (though I prefer to pretend that movie never happened).

That's easy. Loran.

Most heroic probably is Loran, I have to admit. Does the kid ever do anything even morally questionable throughout Turn A?

Aside from lugging around a couple of volatile nukes inside his mobile suit instead of dumping them into the ocean the first chance he gets? He did cross the Gulf of Mexico at one point; it's nigh-impossible to find something over a thousand meters underwater unless you're deliberately looking for it and bring a sonar.

edited 29th Jul '15 3:47:08 PM by amitakartok

Probably was concerned about irradiating the water.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:41:41 PM by DarkHunter

Going to say Flit is the least heroic for obvious, obvious reasons. Shinn might have tried to enforce Durandal's eugenics-driven dystopia, but Flit was angling for a genocide and it was his own idea to boot.

In ZZ, during the part where Haman was receiving the Psycho Gundam Mk-II in Episode 33, she was reading a file on it, with Rosamia's picture on it. Why didn't she recognize her, because IIRC, in Zeta Episode 39, didn't Haman think Rosamia was an AEUG soldier who, along with Kamille, Fa, Shinta, and Qum, was out to kidnap Mineva (truth being that they saved Mineva from drowning)?

edited 29th Jul '15 5:40:19 PM by HallowHawk

Most heroic: Loran Cehack, hands-down.

Although end-of-series Domon would be my second choice.

Least heroic? ...out of the ones I've seen, it'd prolly have to be either start-of-series Domon or perhaps Kamille.

@amita: We Need A Heero

edited 29th Jul '15 8:04:23 PM by EvaUnit01

I now feel obligated to post this vid instead of just joking about it. See what all your puns went and made me do?

edited 29th Jul '15 8:53:41 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

"Most heroic" is pretty vague. Loran is certainly the nicest guy. Amuro is without a doubt the best soldier (including knowing when to tell his superiors to piss off). Setsuna has the greatest positive effect his settings (given that, you know, he singlehandedly saved the human race — even if, like Irrose, I prefer to ignore the 00 movie's existence whenever possible).

Overall, though, I'd have to call Kira the most generically heroic. He's not the number one in any of categories I mentioned above, but he's probably in the top three for all of them. He's a pretty nice guy when he's not suffering through his emotional low points, he's a good soldier in that he works well with others (as opposed to someone like Kou, who screws things up by trying to prove himself, or Setsuna who has the social skills of roadkill), he saves humanity from wiping itself out, if not quite as singlehandedly as Setsuna did, and he generally works for the good of humankind as a whole rather than supporting the agenda of any given faction. He's not perfect, but no one is, and his character flaws (particularly in Destiny) are basically him sticking to his ideals too strictly — ie, he's too heroic for his own good.

Least heroic is Kamille, hands down. But I've been over my opinion of Kamille ad nauseum, so I won't repeat myself unless anyone missed it the last dozen times and wants to hear it again.

Ooh! Ooh! I do! I do! I missed it! I missed it! Me! Me!

Seriously though, I've never seen you post up much about Kamille, so if could sum up your thoughts about him again, I'd appreciate it, as I'd really like to see 'em.

Well... Least Heroic Main character For me would be Sven from Seed Stargazer quite Obvious Since he is a Soldier of Blue Cosmos.

Most Herioc Main Character For me Would be Amuro i think Maybe because i Found the Scene were he Tries to Stop the Axis Colony Drop Very Awesome

To summarize, Jovian's position is Kamille never did anything good ever because it was good. Kamille just randomly happened to end up on the good guys' side and that is why he did good.

Needless to say i disagree but whatever.

Considering how Kamille played Grand Theft Prototype and used it to threaten a jerk he didn't like, and that was his establishing character moment.

He gets better but still.

Basically, I think that Kamille is the biggest case of Not So Different in the franchise. He has all the moral scruples of a rabid dog. He ends up falling in with the heroes by blind luck, and they mostly point him in the right direction, but seriously, the kid is scary.

His Establishing Character Moment is sucker punching a Space Gestapo officer for thinking his name is feminine. Then when he's being held at their base for assaulting their personnel, he steals a giant robot and uses it to terrorize people for fun, and for an encore runs off with anti-government rebels because hey, why not?

Ultimately, Kamille is a bully. He thinks about no one but himself, and responds to anyone trying to assert authority over him — legitimately or not — with violence. Yeah, he had a shitty home life even before the series starts, and yeah a lot of horrible stuff happens to him during the series, but the first few episodes pretty solidly establish him as a fucking psycho even before everyone around him start to die. The only reason he ends up on the good guy's side is because the bad guys happen to piss him off first. In other circumstances, Kamille could have just as easily ended up hating the AEUG and joining the Titans — or Neo Zeon, or the Sleeves, or any of Gundam's other nutjob antagonist factions.

And yeah, he improves over the course of the series, but again, that's largely due to the influence of the people around him. If he hadn't joined a group of legitimately good people (and Char), then he would have ended up an attack dog blindly following orders, like Jerid or Yazan.

People are the products of their environment. I don't see how Kamille meeting the right people and them straightening him out is a mark against him being a good person. Char is a bad person because he was raised by an absolute lunatic in Jimba Ral. Heero is the way he is because he was raised by a career killer. It's a simple fact that in real life a lot of people hang out with the "wrong crowds" but later in life find better associates and friends and turn their lives around. They're not somehow less "good" than you or me simply because their "goodness" was attained through finding the right company.

I Apologize for interrupting this Conversation but i Found something Really Funny

So i suppose everyone the Infamous '¡Once the Big Zam Is Mass Produced!' Joke.

Well in the SD Gundam G Generation Crossover Games ¡It did got Mass Produced!

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/c/ca/8366232_m.png/revision/latest?cb=20101207021343

In Fact its possible for the player to get one

A throw of the dice is not a sign of inherent goodness. Jerid is inherently a better person than Kamille; he's working for a legal authority, he has a legitimate reason for hating (Kamille killed his mentor, then his girl), and it's only after that which he truly goes bad.

Kamille was bad at the start. He was eventually subjected to having his head screwed on properly by the influence of Bright, Apolly, and Fa.

edited 30th Jul '15 8:21:08 AM by Night