The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition

No need to force anything. Like Silent said, best to work it into things naturally. (Can I have a link to your fic again, btw?)

Of course, if there's a natural place to reference it go on ahead. And signature links are fine.

Other things you said are good to think about too, but I can't think about them right now, so I'll respond later. (Maybe creating a PEFE folder on the Tropers Deviant Art group would be possible, but I not aware of any decent visual artists in this thread except for Jane.)

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

Don't bother asking me to draw, my drawing skills are horrible.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

There are multiple Mew and Celebi; the Mews in movies 1 and 8, as well as the Celebis in movies 4 and 13, are different individuals. Extremelly elusive species that are very powerful, as strong as things like Dragonite or Tyranitar.

The legendary birds and beasts also seem to not be that unique, just elusive. There are several sets of Regis. Latis have a breeding population (Pokemon that do not breed are just unable to breed in captivity). Heatran is functionally a pseudo-legendary that has no preevolutions and does not breed in captivity. There are multiple Darkrai, and Cresselia, well, Palmer has one.

Phione are normal Pokemon, maybe made by a Manaphy to assist him, in a way similar to eusocial insects, with Manaphy as hive queen.

Deoxys, it is always associated to being a pair of them, but it is mostly a mutation that happened near Earth.

Lugia and Ho-Oh, I'd say one or two, if we count the Orre ones. May reproduce. Mewtwo is a single individual until proven otherwise (Mew happens to be prolific, after all).

Weather Trio, single individual. Creation Trio, single individual until arceus made more. Lake Trio, single individuals. Arceus, one.

By the way, 5th gen stuff starts on March, right?

Tangent: Sorry, work in progress, not published yet (plus I'm writing in Spanish so I don't know how many tropers here would be able to enjoy it once published). Still gonna post a link sometime.

rmctagg: Gosh I wish I had some of your courage enough to be able to post "likes: {{Pokémon}}" in my Facebook. Still, it is not just a personal thing but a whole society thing where I live, so...

I like the above account of legendary populations and uniqueness. Of course I don't agree 100% with it — I don't think all the movies share the same degree of canonicity, for one, at least from animeverse perspective  ^⋄

— but I think it emphasizes the important variables to consider when dealing with Legendary uniqueness. Except I thought the Gerbils (Owls, according to some Image Board, go figure) were stated as unique (after all they seem to have been explicitly have given shape by Ho-oh). Also what about Jirachi? I'd expect single individual.

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The Jirachi movie was number 6. Number 7 was the Deoxys movie.

If you ask me, all movies happened save for movies 4(The first Celebi one), 6(Jirachi), and 9(Manaphy). I would be very sad if Movie 3 and Movie 13 didn't happen, and movies 10-12 are pretty much really screwed up with their timeline (what with Arceus getting the Jewel of Life back after being cemented over and then everything that had happened in the trilogy... uh, suddenly didn't) so I'll just chalk it's in-universe canon up to 'Arceus randomly showed up one day in Michina Town for no reason and then talked to a group of people. It's best not to question it'.

On the topic of artwork, what kind of artwork are we talking here? I'm not mean-spirited, I can draw stuff for you guys if you want me to.

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↑If the Lucario movie is canon (which apparently is, given the anime specials) then it most surely makes the Jirachi movie canon, as the credits link Kidd Summers with the couple of the Jirachi movie. That's why I posited it as "if some other movie happens, then this one". Movie 10 is most likely canon (Dawn buys an item she later uses in the anime) but the other ones of the Dragon Trilogy are each one less likely than the previous one. Blame Arceus. Finally, the anime may have had made Movie 2 canon when Richie showed up again but I don't recall those episodes. Movie one was canon from the beginning (the Gary cameo), the anime special only (unfortunately) helped. None of the others has anything more than a weak link to the anime, at most. And I completely refuse to accept Movie 9 into canon.

But I digress again.

Artwork? For those willing to make some the first thing I would call for (for the group) is a TVTropius artwork, or a Tropetan/Tropius one, but I think there's already one. I just can't seem to find it...

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Movie 9 sucks.

There is a TV Tropius image. I drew it. Unfortunately, I'm at school, and I can't access dA from school.

It's titled Troperius Tan, by the way.

edited 27th Jan '11 8:43:10 AM by CalamityJane

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I have the link, if anyone's interested.

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That's helpful!

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Phiones are a species. Certain Phiones are randomly born as Manaphies. Hence why Manaphy can breed to make Phiones, as can other Phiones.

As for the legendary beasts, the first Ranger game has a new Entei being created via a volcano being created, and the third game has one of each beast being indigenous and attached to folklore on Oblivia's islands (As well as one of each of the birds).

edited 27th Jan '11 12:25:58 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Well I asked one of my e-friends and he suggested having someone artistic draw some stuff and post it on Deviant Art.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

Wasn't there one guy that did ultra-realistic drawings of Charizard and Fearow? Maybe we can ask him, it would be perfect for maintaining the facade of a professional taxonomy encyclopedia.

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That's a great idea, but there's only one problem. I don't like looking at realistic pokemon. And I am dead certain there are other people that prefer to see pokemon stay cartoony. I don't want to alienate anybody who might lose interest if they see a realistic pokemon on the pages, but if they like pokemon enough to search it on the internet I'm fairly certain that means they won't have a problem with looking at cartoony pokemon.

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I think that, so long as we don't fall into the fallacy of "realistic == ugly", then we should be able to get by some nifty "realistic" designs. But judging by a cursory search of "realistic ‹pokémon_name›" at DA and other spaces, the above mindset seems to be the dominant one.

That said, I'd personally like to see Pokémon (and Trainers, mind) done in a visual realization following the Dissidia style. But IMHO the project itself would benefit more from cartoony style, albeit not as cartoony as the Sugimori default if that's possible.

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I think that using realistic designs make this whole project look much more professional. I mean, this is supposed to be told within an in-universe perspective. It's only natural that accurate diagrams and illustrations should be used. It adds a layer of detail that cannot be easily put into words.

I want actual biologists with no interest in Pokemon to look at this project and say "this is some impressive stuff" and I believe that more realistic images would help that.

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I could try to imitate the Dissidia style as best I could, but I doubt it would ever get any more realistic than it already is. I have a very strong aversion to realistic pokemon after getting scared out of my wits by one rendering of mew...

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The fetus one? Never could find it.

Still, if you feel like trying realistic and taking petitions, you know full well of any of 6 that I would petition. EDIT: but I think Tropius and the starters should have priority.

edited 27th Jan '11 4:44:07 PM by SilentReverence

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I never wanted to do any petitions. I just don't want to see realistic pokemon on these pages. Our audience isn't actual biologists, it's nerds. Biologists and the like usually aren't concerned with fictional animals, so I don't want to aim the articles towards people that are never going to see it.

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Again, "realistic" needn't be creepy. Note our own entries' tone is "realistic", but we generally tread far from creepypasta.

Though as long as we're on an art tangent, I'd like to note I've often wished to see Pokémon in a Norman Rockwell style. Which while more realistic, probably would not offend your sensibilities. You could try for Dissidia-however-it's-spelled, too. Basically, it's more detail than realism that's important.

edited 27th Jan '11 4:59:25 PM by Tangent128

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I... really don't know. Do we really need them to be in a realistic style? We already have a handful of images for some select pages, and those aren't that close to anything realistic.

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I don't think we should have too realistic looking ones.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

I'd say that Manaphy being the "queen bee" and Phione the "worker bees" would be a better explanation that randomness, but, that's in my opinion.

Also, what about what I said before, stablishing something akin to the New Pokedex of Gold and Silver, only with the 493/649 Pokemon that exist at this moment? That's it, a Pokedex by families rather that by number of first family member.

You don't understand, this isn't about audience it's about quality. If we can impress non-nerds with this then that is a true show of quality if there ever was one.

If anything "realistic" is the wrong word here, what I meant was "detailed and well drawn". I agree with you that certain pokemon would be nigh-impossible to render in a completely realistic art style. But the reason why I suggested those ultra-realistic Pokemon is because they're the best damn illustrations I've ever seen.

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I liked the realistic style myself, but I can understand how people could take it too far.

Really, though, that's not realistic, that's just stupid.

"Detailed and well-drawn" would've definitely been a lot clearer for me. Good illustrations are a very good priority. I'd love to be able to go crazy and make something to be proud of. Perhaps imitating images like Fly and Night Slash, which are detailed and well drawn, but not realistic in any stretch of the word.

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