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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#1: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:41:46 PM

Just noticed that Main.Merlin is about the TV series, not the character of Arthurian legend. This may be a problem.

I'm too busy to investigate the wicks atm (feel free to step in), but Moonheart is one example of misuse as it links to the legendary character, not the series.

Shouldn't we move the article to Television.Merlin ?

edited 8th Dec '10 7:43:22 PM by Stratadrake

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#2: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:45:02 PM

I don't see why the character needs his own page. He isn't a work. He isn't a trope. He's just a character. He should be on the character sheet of the appropriate work.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#3: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:53:05 PM

He may be a prevalent fictional character outside of his own story though. You know, shit like Merlin's Shop Of Mystical Wonders.

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#4: Dec 9th 2010 at 7:08:36 AM

I think a character sheet for the original Merlin and how he's used wouldn't be bad. He's pretty much a Historical Domain Character (or whatever the fictional equivalent is).

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carla from panama city, panama Since: Jan, 2010
#6: Dec 9th 2010 at 9:57:38 AM

yeah, i wondered about this when i first saw this page, too. seems like it should be done in a similar way to Robin Hood (which has the main/ page for the character, then a series/ page for the 2006 BBC show).

and it should be mentioned that there's also a previous work with the same name (a TV mini-series starring sam neill as merlin).

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#7: Dec 9th 2010 at 11:54:44 AM

I agree that Merlin should be about the character. While he is generally tied to Arthurian legends, this is not always the case (Quest For Glory II mentions Merlin but not Arthur).

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#8: Dec 9th 2010 at 8:46:47 PM

BTW, I did a quick skim of the wicks earlier today, focusing on articles that looked like names of works (assuming that any mentions of "Merlin" in trope articles were examples taken from the TV series). Conclusion: Appears that Moonheart is an isolated event.

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#9: Dec 10th 2010 at 2:24:47 PM

Have a look at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Excalibur in the Stone. As well the Sam Neil series is in the Film namespace for some reason, and frequently goes unlinked. I'm pro "Merlin as character" for Main, and a split Series page for the BBC and Sam Neil shows.

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#10: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:21:24 AM

Well, the full title is "The Adventures of Merlin"

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#11: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:30:32 AM

[up]Wasn't there a pilot movie (or otherwise completely unrelated movie) just called "Merlin"?

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#12: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:49:36 AM

^^I dunno about in the British version, but the American import is only titled "Merlin."

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tendollarlameo Remarkably Unremarkable Since: Aug, 2010
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#13: Jan 23rd 2011 at 6:14:04 AM

I agree with having the main entry be for the character of Merlin himself. It's like having the main page of Santa Claus be Santa Claus

edited 23rd Jan '11 6:14:16 AM by tendollarlameo

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#14: Jan 23rd 2011 at 8:20:43 AM

The British version is just Merlin as well.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#15: Jan 23rd 2011 at 8:26:07 AM

It would be Series.Merlin, rather than Television.Merlin, and yes, it should be moved, if someone has something to say about the Arthurian figure.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#16: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:17:13 AM

Plus if its full title is not that, it should be moved to the full title anyway.

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#17: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:23:03 AM

[up] The other isn't the full title. It was the pre-production working title and is not the official title. The official title is just Merlin.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#18: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:37:26 AM

Then I was misinformed.

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melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#19: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:49:02 AM

A while back someone informed me of a wiki policy that ideally works should go in their own namespaces, and not on Main? Someone in a position of authority, please step forward.

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:49:33 AM by melloncollie

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#20: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:58:04 AM

Sandbox.Merlin. How's that for a start?

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:58:29 AM by ccoa

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#21: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:09:57 AM

We have Dennis The Menace US and Dennis The Menace UK.

If we want to make pages for the British television series and the US miniseries, we could easily do Merlin US and Merlin UK

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:14:29 AM

There's a US series titled Merlin besides the imported one?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it. Why not Merlin-1998 for the older series? That's what we do with series like V. Assuming anyone wants to make a page for it, anyway.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:19:43 AM by ccoa

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#23: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:17:45 AM

^ Mini-series. I thought that's what other people in this topic were bringing up.

And we shouldn't add a year because that's what we do with Remakes. The mini-series is not a remake, and it's chief distinction between the British series is country of origin.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:19:29 AM by SeanMurrayI

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#24: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:21:48 AM

It's not just for remakes.

And since the currently running Merlin is being released in both countries, that would be less confusing.

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#25: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:27:52 AM

Yeah, not everyone knows that the series is actually UK. A lot of people just know it as "that show on Sci-Fi" as Sci-Fi hasn't really advertised that it's an imported British show.

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