An Official Banning Policy?

So the question then becomes...how shall I put this delicately? If controversial topics such as rape are not welcome here then why the fuck are these threads allowed to be open? As you say, what is the distinction between what is and isn't acceptable? Discussing the latest kiddy porn you downloaded is acceptable, but quoting Barack Obama isn't?

edited 20th Dec '11 3:39:58 PM by tsstevens

People are actually asking for the opposite of that— when someone expresses an objectionable opinion, they'd like to be able to actually respond in accordance with the way that opinion makes them feel. Yeah Bro got banned because he was actually open and honest with people— e.g. responding angrily when they said or endorsed things that made him angry— whereas the current policy lets forces people to respond to sexist and offensive beliefs with a level of respect and courtesy they don't deserve and would never get in real life. If people said things in real life like "I think feminism is a destructive and anti-man movement" or "we should burn every book written before 1950" they'd be called out on instantly. The policy against rudeness or any kind of discussion other than a friendly debate lets them shout out the world and pretend that there's nothing objectionable about what they said.

Yes, 78 pages long (I am sure none of our classical literature threads are as long as this) and frequented by charming individuals like Signed.

They are only controversial if you are a horrible person and want to blame the victim or say child-porn is cool. There are plenty of ways to discuss matters without discussing if it is the victim's fault or if CP is not a bad thing, because those should be universal opinions which don't need discussion.

Tl;dr: Talking about rape =/= bad. Saying the person who was raped was a whore and deserved it = despicable.

If the mods wants to allow threads on kiddy rape then should they not also shoulder the consequences of allowing such a thread?

Signed got banned.

I know, I was giving an example on the kind of person who posts/posted on there.

Well, post some examples to show how bad things are. I don't want to touch that thread with a ten-foot pole.

@487: This. I fail to see why my words are being twisted to say that being a homophobe is okay but being against homophobia is not — although of course I should have expected it. The batch of "never before posted here" tropers suddenly showing up in this thread should be ample proof that there's a crowd waiting in the wings to snipe at even the slightest hint that we aren't enforcing political correctness with an iron fist.

I don't doubt that the thread is prominently featured at this exact moment on various other sites with snarky comments on our latest moderation failures.

Let me be clear one more time. You are not allowed to post hateful comments or comments that target or attack particular posters or groups of posters. You are allowed to discuss issues in a mature and respectful manner, in the appropriate places for such discussion.

Attempting to twist these words into saying that we condone hateful attitudes is flat out wrong and anyone stirring up trouble on this wiki or forum on that basis will be dealt with harshly. That is all I have to say on the matter.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:53:03 PM by Fighteer

Well if the topic offends you you have the option not to read it.

That's on the one hand. On the other hand if the mods want to have such topics then they should accept that people are going to get upset. From what I understand these threads are allowed and yet we are not entitled to be upset?

So racism/sexism/homophobia/etc. does get you banned?

We will not ban for having opinions. We will, however, deal appropriately with those who express them in nonconstructive or hurtful ways. We will also not condone retributive behavior against them. Holler them and let us deal with it.

FYI, I have yet to see anyone giving actual examples that we haven't already dealt with. All these hypotheticals are worthless — worse than that in fact as you're deliberately prodding us, trying to find ways to fault our policies. I'd call that trolling in and of itself.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:58:03 PM by Fighteer

You are allowed to be upset. You are allowed to make a post stating that you are upset. You are allowed to explain why that particular view is horrible. You are not allowed to tell the poster who posted such a view to go fuck themselves.

Edit: What he said.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:57:18 PM by Ironeye

So fanboying serial killers is A-okay provided you don't do it in a "hurtful or nonconstructive way"?

@Loid: If it's unnecessarily flamey and/or completely out of the discussion's scope, and the offender in question doesn't take a hint? I think yes, based on my understanding.

Fighteer put it better than I did.

Personally speaking, I don't think there's a nonhurtful or constructive way of fanboying serial killers (or other kinds of horrible criminals).

edited 20th Dec '11 3:59:24 PM by MarqFJA

I'd just like a clarification on when one is supposed to take an offensive comment targeted at their sex, gender, class, race, income bracket, or religion as personal, versus something stated because the discussion called for it.

Give me an example. I'm sick of hypotheticals.

@echoecho: I'm sick of you intentionally trying to find fault with our policies. Give an actual example or chill out.

And to take the high road is hard, especially if you do want to take part in such discussion. By not showing how much the topic angers you though and calmly pointing out why they are wrong you are telling the person to go fuck themselves more than saying the actual words ever could.

I.E. Invoke Gentleman Snarker when faced with such situations.

492: I only see one never posted here before troper right now, and that would be me. Believe it or not, I am not from another website, so your paranoia is somewhat unfounded. Jumping at shadows

And this is the thing that really got me:

The thing is you allow hateful people with hateful opinions on this site and then get up in arms when anyone tries to point out how hateful those people truly are. As a place for "Mature respectful discussions" I see a lot of immaturity and disrespect coming from the higher ups (Namely: "Paedophilia is like stealing shoes," "You don't edit, you don't know shit, ergo" and "This is a friendly place for friends.") I see what you are trying to say, but it still does not gel with the way the site actually runs, sunshine.

And by letting hateful attitudes exist on this site you are implicitly condoning them, that's just how it fucking works.

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" I only see one never posted here before troper right now" You aren't looking hard enough.

"The thing is you allow hateful people with hateful opinions on this site" Examples.

Tongpu is forum banned. Has he been misbehaving in the wiki? If so he's gone.

edited 20th Dec '11 4:04:27 PM by Fighteer

Sorry, didn't know that

Well, if you remember the kind of stuff that Tsukubus posted while he was still around, I think that would be a pretty good example.

Let's go ahead and restrict ourselves to examples from actively posting tropers.