Shadowrun

This is fifth edition .-. The essence cost is half of the normal one. Also, you can only start with alphaware at the most apparently, hence why I'm wondering about this since whole point of the character idea I had is cybernetics :P

True, it is really good for adepts, but it's also awesome for street samurai and other heavy-cyber characters. It allows them to fit more and more potent cyberware without sacrificing any more Essence than they already have, letting them try to keep up with the casters' progression.

Besides, magical characters (Even adepts) usually aren't going to use a lot of cyberware, even if it is deltaware. 1 point of Magic lost doesn't hurt that much. I'll give you that. It's (relatively) easily compensated with initiation. More than 1 point of Magic loss is probably going to hurt too much, though.

Deltaware is also REALLY expensive and REALLY hard to find someone to install it for you (AND that you can trust, this IS Shadowrun, after all.), and magical characters already need quite a bit of money for their foci.

It's not going to be seen in-game much because it's powerful, I agree. No GM is going to let you get your grubby hands on some without some SERIOUS work, which most characters might not be willing to do. Easier to just upgrade your 'ware to beta and then spend your nuyen on better weapons, vehicles and other equipment. But I believe it's hard enough to get (or can be made hard enough to get) to compensate that fact, at least partially.

So it hasn't changed from 4Ed, but then, ask yourself: can you get enough money to pay the basic cost that is ten times the amount you have to pay for basic 'ware? From what I remember, 'ware is very costly, especially when it comes to kitting out cyberlimbs (I need to find the stats for the samurai I built a while back).

Basic and alpha grade are the only stuff that's commercially-available, i.e. you can go to a public cyber clinic and get it installed there. The corps keep the beta and delta grade stuff for themselves; it also requires customization to the person getting it. That's why only basic and alpha are available at character creation. The most likely way you'll get access to betaware is as a reward from a corp for doing a job for them, and getting deltaware is an adventure in itself.

^^Deltaware cost multiplier is 2.5 which is a lot and cyberlimbs were like 20,000 per one I think

^Well, I'd still like to know if cost for say shotgun cybergun's essence cost is the limb + shotgun arm's essence cost or only shotgun's.

edited 5th Apr '14 9:04:34 PM by SpookyMask

If you're installing it into your meat arm, then you pay the Essence cost for the shotgun. If you're installing it into your cyberarm, you pay the Capacity cost instead (you've already paid Essence for the arm).

Whats the capacity cost? ._.

Anyway, so that means if I want to stuff more cyber stuff, I should get arm where i then install gun?(since essence cost is higher for gun) Ok. I guess same is for hand blades/shock hand?

edited 5th Apr '14 11:36:57 PM by SpookyMask

The Capacity is how much accessories you can stuff into your cyberware.

I guess that only applies to limbs?

I think it applies to all cyberware.

I remember that cybereyes had Capacity.

Wait what? .-. How does that work?

I dunno.

But according to the copy I have, it's true.

edited 6th Apr '14 2:50:51 AM by DarkSoldier

You sure you only paid a essence cost for the initial limb? I'm pretty sure you have to pay essence cost of the the add ons.

You lose Essence from the cyberlimb, not the add ons.

K. You might as well take the limb now then.

Yeah .-. Though now I'm curious about amount of stuff I can cramp into limbs as well...

I mean, whole point of character who I am making is seeing how much cyberware can be stuffed into a char <_< I was wondering if I had all of it being deltaware if I could have all four limbs, dermal plating and titanum bone lacing.

edited 6th Apr '14 8:24:04 AM by SpookyMask

Ha, that's the point of limb capacity. A cyberlimb, at least in 4Ed, starts with all stats at 3 and needs upgrades to bring them to your natural stats or higher. Same goes for armor and additional functions like a hidden firearm or commlink. A hidden firearm eats up a shitton of capacity in general, and shotgun will eat the most. And obvious cyberlimbs have higher capacity than the lifelike ones, at the cost of looking like something from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

As for cybereyes capacity, yes, it was a thing, mostly to limit the amount of functions you could cram in there, for example night vision was one thing, vision enhancement was another, etc.

I see ._. So capacity should be mostly used for attributes then?

And I wouldn't mind if character would end up looking like terminator at end of it :P Though that would indeed be very... Whatever was opposite of "inconspicuous".

Conspicuous.

Can't say I like how essence is handled to be honest. Cyberpunk 2020 gave you the visceral ever-increasing threat of madness as a result of Installing too many apps. Essence on the other hand you seems to exist purely as the limits of enhancement options. They might as well of just of called it bionic tolerance.

Plus who idea was it to to dole in out in fractions.

Oh. Right. Now I feel extra stupid.

No, it's used for everything. The biggest capacity hogs are actually things that don't augment stats - for comparison, every attribute +1 cost 1 point, every armor point cost 2 points, Blade Below the Shoulder cost 3 points and having a SMG mounted in your arm cost 10 points. Not sure how it changed in the 5Ed,but there's gotta be some control over how much you're able to hide in your cyberarms.

I'm little confused at what the heck skull and torso replacements(well, text says they are more like shells, but whatever) are for <_< I mean, how can "skull" implant have "capacity" of two? What the heck you would put there? Does torso implant prevent dermal plates?

Can someone summarize what the deal is with the New Revolution in the UCAS? All I know is that they attempted to depose President Haeffner, were foiled by General Colloton, and then... Well, something happened that led to Haeffner's still-unexplained disappearance, then Colloton's suspicious rise to presidency, and subsequently the New Revolution being driven to the criminal underground.

Implanted commlink or armor plating. No idea about the torso, I'd have to get my book, and it's 4Ed anyway.