When They Cry - Higurashi and Umineko

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Wee~ back from my field triiiip~

You guys should really read the first half of the Episode 8 patch. It. Is. Epic. And I hear it only gets even more epic from there.

I did that for Ep7, but don't really enjoyed it. The Episode ended up felting too short and the first half wasn't as fresh in my memory as it should (and, of course, I couldn't bring myself to reread the first half as I was too anxious to know waht came next).

Furthermore, this time is even worse. back then, we could have a reasonable idea of when the final patch would come. Now, it can be at any time. The Real Life stuff of their main translator completely messed up their pacing, for what I've heard. They still seem to be working, but there is no way to know how long it will take. It took about 5 months for the first half, and since them their speed had only lowered (for what it seems). The next patch may as well be released only next year for all we know. I would rather wait now.

i am not in the habit of stopping a book halfway (Crime and Punishment is the only one)
especially if it is as awesome as umineko
HANG IN THERE LION

I find it kind of interesting how knowing Rika is in the all cast review sections. I wonder if it was supposed to be foreshadowing that she predicts other people getting 'cursed' and defends Oyashiro-sama, claiming he's not a vengeful god.

I think it is. Most of Higurashi is clearly already thought of at the start. One of the reasons for I to eleive Higurashi is mostly well written is that Ryuukishi07 was clearly leading the story to its final goal and solutions, and not thinking on them on the spot.

Yeah, but a lot of the stuff in there is pretty silly. True, they really strongly implied that it was Shion all along for the Watanagashi wrap up that I just went and reread, but then there's weird stuff like how they plan to chuck Tomitake into the swamp to appease Oyashiro-sama.

Also, is it just me, or does Keiichi getting stabbed still not make sense?

Oh, yeah. The Wrap Up Parties are all full of silly stuff and not really meant to be taken serious. What Rika said was kind of a foreshadowing, but purposely hidden into the silliness. I was just saying it was probably not a coincidence, although it was also certainly not a viable clue for the readers.

Getting stabbed? At Watanagashi-hen you mean? It does make sense. Shion wanted to kill him so she went and killed him 9and died almost immediately after). Or you mean, in the same Chapter, after that, when he saw "zombie Mion"? This was an hallucination that triggered a cardiac arrest (Meakashi-hen credits roll showed he died that way).

No, in Meakashi, she thinks she went and stabbed him but it's pointed out she didn't have time to go there, get back and die. She'd already jumped off by that point and knocked herself unconscious. After stabbing him she committed suicide. But I don't know how she stabbed him.

I think you confounding things. The one who hadn't time to go and kill Keiichi was Mion, because she had already fallen to her death days earlier. Neither Oishi nor Keiichi would have guessed the one who stabbed was the frail mental damaged Shion. The only thing badly explained is Shion's wearing Mion's clothes, when she should be using the hospital clothes, but that can be explained with the sprites being only representatives of the characters.

No, it said she tried to jump off, knocked herself out, then she showed up and stabbed Keiichi. Waking up, she noticed she failed and jumped off the roof instead of tripping or whatever she did before.

So? She didn't died the first time, so she still had time to go and stab Keiichi, which is what she did. There isn't supposed to be any mystery there. It is just a straightforward telling of the events, like this whole chapter was (well, except for Tomitake's and Takano's death, that is it, as well as Rika's suicide).

edited 23rd Aug '11 6:15:06 PM by Heatth

Uh, did you not get what I was saying? Here, timeline. I'm saying it starts at 9 PM.

9: Shion finally can't take it anymore and tries to jump off the roof. She hits her head and gets knocked out.
9:30: Shion shows up in front of Keiichi's house dressed as Mion and stabs him.
10: The unconscious Shion wakes up and jumps off the roof to her death successfully this time. She is confused as to how she can remember stabbing Keiichi when she's been unconscious for the last hour. Ooishi is suspicious of Keiichi because the times don't match up.

This is how I remember the events going. When Keiichi got stabbed, Shion was unconscious.

Meh, I'll go reread the ending later to make sure. But I'm pretty sure that's the sequence of events.

Answer: she was not really unconscious. Or was just misremembering (she knocked her head, after all). She jumped the roof and knocked her head, went to Keiichi house and then passed out when came back (or maybe passed out earlier, but wake up soon after). In fact, I guess having knocked her head explain why she behavior at Keiichi's house was even weirder then usual.

Ooishi is suspicious of Keiichi not because Shion. The time of her death is not really important, as far he is concerned. He is suspicious because 'Mion' was already dead by the time she supposedly stabbed Keiichi.

edited 23rd Aug '11 7:03:31 PM by Heatth

I wonder if what caught Bernkastel in the logic error was that for Rika to live she needed information from other Fragments of ways people would act in situations that didn't occur? That makes magic a necessary part of solving the problem. Thus she stopped the game from occurring at all by 'saving' Takano's parents. That's the only thing I can really think of. If you look at Featherine as a Hanyu expy, it would also answer how Featherine broke the game for her.

edited 23rd Aug '11 10:44:23 PM by Arha

Oh! Nice thinking. That little bit about Bern's backstory never really made much sense to me because I couldn't tie with Higurashi. But what you said make sense.

that was my theory as well
but it was disproven in my eyes when i remembered Higurashi!Bernkastel was nicer
averting Takano Miyo's fate
Umineko!Bernkastel wouldn't do that
even if she tries to run away from the game
shell figure out something crazier than just being plain nice

edited 24th Aug '11 7:54:44 AM by CommanderObvious

You assume it's nice. But think of the consequences of saving Takano's parents.

1. She never goes to the orphanage, is never saved and never meets her grandfather
2. Never takes up his research and starts the clinic
3. Village is destroyed by the dam project
4. Keiichi never meets everyone
5. Villagers are never cured.

Judging by one of the endings, Hinamizawa syndrome may also be mild enough now to be infectious among the general population, meaning even more people are catching it. Saving Takano leads to a pretty shitty world. Villagers also appear to succumb easier outside the village.

Well, actually the syndrome is not that bad as Takano believes. For one thing, the 'Queen Carrier' thing is more or less bull (yeah, Rika is special, but killing her won't mass trigger the village). Also, remember that there are people who leave the village without many problem, like Rena'd dead (and he was suffering stress). (thinking now, I wonder if the disease effects children more easily, for whatever reason)

Sure, saving Miyoko will make the world less fun, from the main characters POV, but not to the point of Crapsack World.

I probably should give a chance to Saikoroshi-hen, from Higurashi Rei. It more or less deal with these problems, as it shows a 'world without Miyo' (there is more differences, but Miyo's is the most meaningful).

(it is also the only Higurashi Chapter the mention Bernkanstel by name in-game)

edited 24th Aug '11 4:28:08 PM by Heatth

Besides, if it's a desperation move, is she really going to worry about how horrible it makes things for people later?

Surely not. Never meant to disagree with your overall theory.

Also, if Saikoroshi-hen told us something, is that Rika hate a "world without Takano". Regardless of it being that bad or not, I don't think Bernkanstel enjoyed what have come from saving Miyoko.

This thread died after Arha stopped posting. ^^;

Anyway, for who wants a PS 3 patch, there is one being worked. In fact, there is a beta release already, with sprites and backgrounds, apparently. Haven't tested, though. Voices and CG on progress.

News for Umineko~Nocturne of Truth and Illusions. Includes trailers and some screenshots.

It'll be out on December 15, 2011 (One year after the first PS 3 game), priced at 8379 Y. They're developing 80 new tracks in addition to the original BGM.

Miyuki Sawashiro seems to be Dlanor's VA, while Erika's is Natsuko Kuwatani.

Sauce: Animesuki's forum thread

edited 1st Sep '11 8:11:26 PM by LiberatedLiberater

Yayyyy

Holy shit the voice fits perfectly.

edited 1st Sep '11 8:23:40 PM by neobowman

Leaving this here for future reference. This is an interview with Ryukishi07 by an author named KEIYA. This is the closest thing we have to actual solutions to Umineko, and it reveals a couple of things about the series. Obviously there are spoilers for the ending of Episode 8.