Chatterbox - Anime & Manga

Daily Lives of High School Boys. The picture is actually hyperlinked on the trope page.

edited 16th May '17 8:07:45 PM by Lionheart0

It wasn't when I last checked it, a few hours ago. In fact, check the Late for School page history.

Am I the only one getting "burned out", so to speak, with most manga, anime, & V Ns nowadays? Everything is juvenile, there is too moe, and there's practically no down-to-earth and realistic stories anymore, just escapist stuff. The last time a story really spoke to me was the visual novel Narcissu 2

There never was, it has always been like that.

Anime has always been an escapist art form, real life for most in Japan just plain sucks. A down to earth work would be about someone working a 9 am to 2 am 7 days a week job where nothing happens as you work yourself to death.

edited 23rd May '17 8:00:06 AM by Memers

Good point. There never WERE anime and manga that were 100% realistic. But these days, they're all made for otaku BY otaku, and no one else.

Nothing has changed aside from series are just shorter and racy original OVA series just get aired censored as a 12 episode anime instead of straight to VHS like Agent Aika.

Many of the same companies are still making the same types of shows they did in the 70s and 80s today. Sunrise is still doing Gundam, Toei is still doing Dragonball and Sailor Moon, we just has a Macross series not to long ago.

If anything they are less risqué as things like Maicchingu Machiko Sensei wouldn't fly and reruns of kids shows are being censored.

edited 23rd May '17 8:10:31 AM by Memers

Yes, exactly!! That's why there's such a glut of moe crap nowadays :/

Go look at the list of shows in like 1983. There are less shows overall, as 52 episode shows were more common, but it's all pretty much the same.

You got Rose Colored Glasses cause all those crap shows just never left Japan, nowadays we just get absolutely everything. All those iconic shows? Yeah, only about one or two of those aired per year the rest was crap.

The only thing really new nowadays are the Isekai Genre shows.

edited 23rd May '17 8:34:14 AM by Memers

Whatever causes it, it's making the industry worse.

There's always been a glut of crap. And in the same vein, there's always been non-moe, non-crap anime every year. Heck, every cour.

No shit, animators are getting paid slave wages while production committees just keep clamoring for profit profit profit.

Which really always was the case.

edited 23rd May '17 9:01:33 AM by fillerdude

If you want more artsy, realistic or down-to-earth stories manga has been your best bet for years now.

Animators in Japan need to stage a mass revolt.

That's more on economic side of the industry and Japan in general. The slide has been going for 20 years and it's just getting worse.

That's not even the worst really, a lot of companies are forcing their workers to do required at least 20 hours of unpaid 'company time' overtime a week and such. Social rules prevent you from really speaking up and you do not leave before your boss does as well.

Employers forcing Karoshi on their employees is not unique to the animation industry.

Anyway a lot of studios are just outsourcing their animation now, Kyoani has a Korean based studio and half of Studio Pierrot's animation teams are based in S Korea.

edited 23rd May '17 9:07:17 AM by Memers

I mean, if you're getting burned out, YasminPerry, all that means is that you personally are getting burned out. I've hearing people complain about how there's a glut of moe-crap 'these days' since I joined the fandom in 2008.

Maybe that sounds judgemental, but I don't mean it that way. Getting burned out is a thing that happens. It just means you've reached the point where you personally have the generic stuff too many times to still be entertained by it.

And, to be fair, the current season isn't the greatest. A higher than normal proportion of them can be summed up as 'another one of these shows'. But, even then, Seikaisuru Kado is also airing this season, which is very down-to-earth in tone.

edited 23rd May '17 9:32:27 AM by Gilphon

What's the thought process of making an anime JUST to promote its manga/game/idol/book source?!? That's a STUPID idea! It takes exponentially massive amounts of costs to make an animation equivalent of a book! Why do that when you can avoid going bankrupt and avoid disrespecting your workers by just promoting it some other way like an advertising campaign!?

Out of the 48 shows Crunchyroll has listed for spring 2017 at most 8 are moe, and that is me being really unfair.

But ya can't MAKE money if you SPEND even more!!

The assumption is the anime itself will do well enough to break even, and the resulting boost in popularity to the source material will be where your actual profit comes from.

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It's standard practice for publishers for years, and yet you're only commenting on it now? There's a reason why people say that anime often serve as glorified advertisement to Light Novels or Manga.

Plus, it's been shown to work. People who otherwise wouldn't even know about (insert manga or LN series here) get interested in the source material, then BUY said source material, which then turns a profit for the publishers.

I remember Shirobako lampooning this practice in the penultimate episode, especially concerning the fact that they needed to make an ending to an ONGOING series.

edited 23rd May '17 3:47:56 PM by MyssaRei

And in some cases, model kits.

A helpful chart showing how anime makes money.◊

And yeah, cutesy/sexualised anime is absolutely not a new trend. Let's go back thirty years and see what sort of stuff was airing.

edited 23rd May '17 4:02:27 PM by Iaculus

Yasmin Perry, I think your not burnt out so much as not looking hard enough for stuff that isn't moe.

if anything, there' technically less moe now then there was just a few years ago.

This "anime is advertisement" phenomenon, is it unique to Japanimation? How would it compare to other TV shows in Japan and elsewhere? I doubt that typical dramas and whatnot get their revenue and sustain their airtime primarily from merchandise and the source material.

Hello. Can anyone here name some examples on recovered Hikikomori here? (I guess you get it already, but isekai-type doesn't count.)