Odd confessions.

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edited 4th Apr '15 4:21:05 AM by RatherRandomRachel

adverse: "preventing success or development; harmful; unfavorable."

So you see the patriarchy as harmful! Good!

edited 4th Apr '15 4:24:40 AM by Odd1

...I meant "averse". Dammit.

But yeah, I acknowledge it's existence, and it's ultimate harm, but christ do I hate that word from the type of people who bring it up where it's not a factor.

Well, where would you say it's not a factor? I'd like to see what perspective you're coming from here.

I'm talking about the people using it as if it was a Japanese Honorific. Injecting it everywhere, and calling people "tools of the patriarchy" whenever they find people who disagree with them.

Well, I mean, I feel like I could understand what you're saying here better if you were to give a specific example...

Just Google "Social Justice Warrior". They're basically MRA's for feminism and gender equality.

Well, better to be loud and angry for a good cause than be loud and angry for a stupid one, I say.

@Rachel on last page: Oh, yeah, I know there are actually genuine problems concerning men's rights. It's just that past-me was a moron and didn't concern himself with those, preferring to go the "not all men" route of gender discussion.

And I do still kinda dislike terms like "masculinist" and "equalist" and such. Because there's already a word for someone who's against gender inequality. It's "feminist." Like, I don't get the desire people have to separate themself from feminism as a movement when it is literally what they are trying to accomplish.

I mean, I do get it. I understand the reasons for it. But gosh it irks me.

The problem is less that SJ Ws are loud and angry, and more that they're loud, angry and incredibly reactive.
They're easily offended by innocuous things, and loud and angry about the fact they've been offended.

Remember that lots of "SJWs" (god I hate that term) are teenagers who are new to the whole social justice thing. Teenagers are reactive, and now that they've been introduced to all this awful stuff that happens, they start seeing it happening everywhere, where they previously hadn't noticed it. That translates into a sudden, vitriolic reaction. It kinda feels like the society you've grown up in has somehow betrayed you, y'know? But it hasn't, nothing's actually changed, it's just that only now are you noticing the bad stuff.

That's what it was like when I started getting into social justicey stuff, anyway. Over time you mellow out a little, but I do think there's still an importance to that reactivity, in somewhat smaller doses. It's important to be wary and critical of the things you consume or experience, it's important to get offended, or else nothing will change.

Zarek - one of the biggest issues is that many men don't get that, so those masculinists who share the aims of feminism have to use a new name as a PR move. As stupid as it seems, when it comes to politics it's about PR first and foremost, and being able to make a good name for yourself will remove many potential headaches you'll have.

People like Andrea Dworkin and Janice Raymond still bring back painful memories for many men, and you can't exactly shrug that off so readily.

edited 4th Apr '15 8:23:51 AM by RatherRandomRachel

The term 'SJW' gets thrown about for even the slightest bit of socially left views. It's useless.

Eh, I've seen it only used for a specific brand of people on the authoritarian left.

I've seen it being applied to a lot of people I don't really think it should apply to. For me being an SJW means wanting to censor anything you find offensive, being bigoted against male/white/straight/cis people, trying to shut down or doxx anyone who disagrees with you and/or being so emotionally unhinged that you enter a rage or panic attack everytime someone disagrees with you on even the tiniest little thing.

Yep, that's what I call an SJW.

SJW is literally just a term used to denigrate anyone who doesnt think society is completely absolutely perfect, so yeah

Well I don't think society is completely absolutely perfect, and I don't consider myself an SJW nor have I ever been called that by anyone, so I'm pretty sure that you're wrong.

"we should have more diversity in v-"

stupid sjw bitch go back to tumblr

it's like the term PC

Anita Sarkeesian's been dubbed a SJW for Tropes vs Women in Video Games when the feminist analysis in that series is so very basic.

I mostly use "SJW" as an affectionate joke.

You can't deny that the spirit of what term is supposed to mean is still out there (Warning:Link is likely to piss off a huge number of people) though.

Although, in those circustances I mostly just stick to "extremist".

Damn, it's hard to believe that isn't satire.

I've seen things even worse than that, but I think we've veered pretty far off-topic by now.

Just to clarify my position, this◊ is an SJW. Warning: Nutcase.


Back on-topic: I still have my childhood teddy bears in my room.

Dude I'm like 90% that's a troll (seriously even the most radical feminists aren't gonna start endorsing placing men into concentration camps and stupid over the top shit like that)

This is a werid one, but honesty as a recent I've become very dissolutioned with fandom in general.

I'll admit, I've never really been the type to unconditionally love something and the flip the shit when someone dare point out its faults or problematic aspects, but more and more I'm seeing people subscribing to this "if you say anything bad about [thing] your a damn dirty SJW and need to Gtfo." Like there's an IRL dude I know and I said I didn't really think Madoka was all deserving of all the hype it gets and the dude just flipped the fuck out and acted liked I shot his dog and banged his mom. And I mean, I just said I thought it was overrated. I can't imagine how he would've related if I pointed out some problematic aspect about it or something like that.

edited 4th Apr '15 1:04:33 PM by RoboZombie