They all seemed to really like the spitfire on that show, a bit less suprising to me.
Seems like it'd be easier to just kick a pallet of bombs out of the back of the plane.
But yeah, many of the USMC KC-130s have a similar mod, although they have a rack of Hellfires and a targeting pod instead of freefall bombs. No reason it wouldn't be useful against soft targets from higher altitudes. Nor can I see any reason why they couldn't hoist standoff munitions just as easily. It's only a question of fitting the right targeting equipment.
Wait wait, Let Me Get This Straight.... You fly the loaded with VDV and bombs Il-76 over the enemy airfield somehow conveniently avoiding detection by radar and getting the fuck shot out of you by everything from HMG's, smallbore triple-A and MANPADS all the way to long range SAM's like Patriot and CAP outfits. Then you make a first pass and pop brightly lit flares on the enemy telegraphing your presence. Then you swing around, drop bombs (inaccurately) and then swing around again and drop the VDV guys?
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU AVOID A MASSACRE OF YOUR MEN AND A BLOWN TO HELL AIRPLANE?!?!?!?
A lot more than either you, I, or both of us combined can possibly drink apparently.
I think they should go all the way. Replace the glass nose with a mount for a 105mm gun.
^ For the Russians? I don't think they've fielded 105's of any type for any role since the Second World War.
If anything an Il-76 gunship would carry either an older reserve D-10 rifled gun from a T-55 or maybe a 125mm 2A46 derivative.
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Ah Dassault, they are being pissy. India has been on a "made in India" kick for years, hence they wanted to license build Rafales. Pity France would get all Yandere over their tech.
So just when Rafale-tan ahd a ray of hope, her French Jerk daddy had to ruin it.
edited 22nd May '15 11:15:32 PM by TairaMai
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And more then that, I doubt Dassault didn't particularly like licence-builders Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, who apparently have an appalling standard of quality control. I think as well Dassault were, according to the contract, going to have to take responsibility for any manufacturing problems Hindustan created.
Also from that article:
A court of inquiry into the accident is under way. Both pilots ejected safely from the fighter, which was on a routine sortie from Tezpur's Salonibari base but developed "technical problems" shortly after taking off, sources said.
In March Parrikar told parliament that the Su-30 fleet was plagued by "engine failure in air and engine-related problems" and that the IAF had documented 35 problems with the Saturn Al-31Fp powerpack.
Russian officials, however, deny such problems and attribute all six of the IAF's Su-30 accidents to "human error": an assessment with which the IAF strongly disagrees.
Those engines are licence-built in India by...Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd
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edited 23rd May '15 12:32:02 AM by Greenmantle
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Huh, the older Su-27's did have Russian powerpacks...that had to be sent to Mother Russia when they needed their overhauls.
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They still do, I think. The Americans do the same for a lot of their parts.
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The US lets contractors do work overseas. Their is a nasty persistent rumor that Raytheon and Boeing help Saudi Arabia keep their F-15's in the air. When the Saudi's do depot maintenance, their aircraft leave bolts on the runway.
Raytheon has depots and contracts with 11 of our allies for things from radios or Patriot Missile systems.
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Patrol Planes in the South China Sea
The US recognizes no Chinese sovreignity over the disputed areas, and maintains its rights to freedom of navigation in the area. And to do so, they regularly exercise those rights, often via Maritime Patrol Aircraft such as the P-8A Poseidon. Recently, to show how this plays out, a US Navy P-8A brought along a CNN crew to show just what is involved.
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I know they do in Saudi. BAE does the same for the Saudi Tornados, Typhoons and Hawk trainers. But I've heard the same regarding the US even in countries like Turkey, where parts aren't fixed, just merely replacednote and sent back to the US.
Note the problems with the British MoD, ITAR and the F-35note .
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It depends, many parts are "no user serviceable parts inside": so complex that the company just wants to do the repair themselves. Many complex parts are just sent back to the maker, even in the US. It's not just a matter of IP, some countries don't have the industrial base or the compnay is just being dicks.
In Europe, the F-16 has a huge logistical pipeline: parts were made all over Europe.
General Dynamics made a kit to convert old M-60's into a more modern tank: the IR and gun off the M-1A1, a new power pack, applique armor etc. It was designed to be sent to the customer and the conversion be done there. No takers since the largest customers opted for other options including local upgrades.
So that's why some planemakers can get full RIAA over sourcecode or parts.
edited 23rd May '15 9:07:21 AM by TairaMai
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Actually it isn't the complexity really. Anyone can be trained to do that locally. The companies milk a ton of extra fees and costs from having it shipped to them to do the work. Seriously they do it for many small arms things as well. There are a couple parts on systems like the MK-19 that the average 3rd echelon shop can handle easily they are required to ship it to the contractor. Same for our optics there is nothing actually all that complex about them yet items that the US military could easily fix in house are forced to be sent to contractors. Same for radios and numerous other pieces of equipment.
Who watches the watchmen?
Years back, I read an article about Air Force maintainers teaching Iraqi troops the trade. They complained that the biggest problem with their students was an attitude best summed up with the Arabic phrase "Insha'Allah"trans , basically saying that whatever happens will happen regardless. This is understandably seen as a rather unacceptable viewpoint for aircraft mechanics.
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Royal Navy CROWSNEST Decision
And it goes to — Thales with what is basically an updated version of the current Sea King AEW system.
- Lockheed Martin lost, despite them being the prime contractor
- It is a repacked and updated system, not the shiny new Elta EL/M 2052 active electronically scanned radar offered by LM, to LM!
- It is a role fit system for the existing 30 Merlin HM2 helicopters
- No news on how many role fit kits will be provided under the demonstration and manufacture phase, that is a future decision although 10 is the current aspiration
The twisted world of modern Defence procurement...
@ Flanker: Ever flown an aircraft made by the French manufacturer Robin?
edited 24th May '15 7:48:33 AM by Greenmantle
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Antonov proposes to vuild An-124 production Line in China. Pic sorta related: CGI-render of a future Chinese Antonov
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By the way: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I'm back home in China again. Can barely load anything on the page. Some troper better donate an island or something to let our government ease up on tvtropes.
What the hell was that thing? It looks like something out of the original Thunderbirds show.
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@Ender:
That thing looks awesome.
I guess that slow connections are better than being blocked from this website entirely - I hope you'll still be able to chat with us in future, since it's interesting to get a Chinese perspective on these things!
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From Foxtrot Alpha;
17 Wacky Naval Aviation Terms You Never Knew You Wanted to Know.
The F-35B has passed its shipboard night flying phrase of operational trials.
@ Sabre: The Argentines attempted something similar on one of their C-130s during The Falklands War.
edited 22nd May '15 10:16:34 AM by Greenmantle
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