Name, description, both need work: You Fail The IQ Test

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I found this had a banner when I added it to a page, then clicked the link. I'll delete it if you think it's really subjective...but I'm pretty sure You Fail The IQ Test isn't deserving of the subjective banner.
2 Madrugada23rd Oct 2010 04:35:40 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Everything with a You Fail title got tagged as a Subjective. This is why unrelated snowclones are discouraged. And it really should be a Useful Notes page, in its present form. It's mostly about the reality of IQ, not the way it's used in fiction and media.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Ok, how about we move this to Trope Repair and discuss splitting the page into a Useful Notes page and the actual trope page? (There is a trope here, it's just buried in a super long description.)

Edit: And here we are. Thoughts, concerns, three sizes?

edited 23rd Oct '10 5:40:49 PM by TotemicHero

4 Deboss23rd Oct 2010 05:45:38 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
IQ test scores significantly above 100 hundred are used to inform the audience that the character is supposed to be really really smart. Which is a trope. The fact that that's not IQ tests work, is a Theme Park Version of the concept. Hollywood IQ Score would make a good trope.
But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
I was kind of leaning towards Improbable IQ myself.

Anyway, I take it from these responses no one so far is against the proposed split.
7 Madrugada23rd Oct 2010 06:03:21 PM , Relationship Status: In season
I'm completely in favor of the split. The part about how IQ tests really work is exactly the kind of thing Useful Notes is intended for, and there is at least one trope hiding in there, although I'm not sure it really fits in the "Hollywood X" family any better than it did in the "You Fail X" family. Improbable IQ is a good name.

And it lends itself to a later split along High/Low lines if we decide to do that later —Improbably High I.Q. and Improbably Low IQ. I suppose we could do that now, even — both of them have more than enough examples.

edited 23rd Oct '10 6:05:59 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I have no objections to a three-way split.

So, what do we call the Useful Notes page?
9 Madrugada23rd Oct 2010 06:42:24 PM , Relationship Status: In season
IQ Testing? Useful Notes usually get fairly straightforward names.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
11 carla25th Oct 2010 09:50:10 AM from panama city, panama
this definitely needs work done. ideally a three-way split, following the three bullets in the "you know this trope is in play when" section, but even that might be too much because, for example, how different is "people with impossibly high I Qs" from TV Genius, as a trope? likewise, if we stick to just the one trope, "writers don't do their research on how IQ testing works" or "acceptable breaks from IQ testing reality," it would be too wide, covering most examples in the aforementioned TV Genius, and possibly some other stupidity tropes. i'm thinking that would be very People Sit on Chairs.

(that said, i played Guess That Trope with this one, and assumed it was about failing a test that can't be failed. Do We Have That One?)
[up] Hmm, I think setting numerical cut-offs in general is a bit arbitrary, which is probably part of the problem you're seeing.

From a story-telling perspective, a character having an IQ of 180 as opposed to 1800 is irrelevant; what matters is that said high IQ number is being used to emphasize the intellectual superiority of said character. Naturally, the same would apply to the opposite end of the spectrum (low IQ being used to emphasize lower intelligence).
As Madrugada said, that's not the most ideal name for this.

If you have something else that might be a better name than Improbable IQ or some variant thereof, tell us. I'm beginning to have a few doubts about this suggestion myself. (And I'm the one who made it!)
I've been Bluelinked
This trope seems to have a couple of concepts lumped in together. It's partly Did Not Do The Research because of impossibly high or low IQ's. It's partly a way of saying a character is a genius or mentally challenged by giving them an improbably high or low IQ. And there are the useful notes, which includes a point that ridiculous IQ's were possible on older tests that scaled differently.
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But all the power with independents
16 TotemicHero2nd Nov 2010 08:12:33 AM from the next level
Bumpity bump. Anyone got any other issues? If not, I'll make a sandbox page in a few days to begin sorting this out.
17 TotemicHero5th Nov 2010 05:59:55 PM from the next level
18 Madrugada5th Nov 2010 06:13:05 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Bravo! Clear, concise, and to the point.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
19 TotemicHero8th Nov 2010 03:20:32 PM from the next level
Alright then, I'll begin to move stuff over.

Edit:Done, done, and done. Made the original page a redirect to the useful notes page. Just got to clean up all the links, and move the discussion over (it looks like all of it will go to Improbably High I.Q.).

I'd say we're done here.

edited 8th Nov '10 4:33:40 PM by TotemicHero

20 Madrugada8th Nov 2010 04:44:07 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Turning out the lights and locking up, then.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.

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