Not Sue: Sue For A Day

There's an inherent difficult in trying to make a Sue trope on YKTTW these days and there's a good reason for that. This one... actually didn't really answer any of the questions about that "Sue" thing.

It also seems to have totally unconnected examples. I would say that everything from literature to film are clearly other tropes.

Seems to be just a few different tropes tied together into one. And I think we have something like this too, except I can't think of what it might be.

well the "sue" part is more like an Artifact Title.

As some Troper pointed out when this was a YKTTW.I changed it.It itsn't anymore about becoming a Mary Sue.

I changed it mainly becuase some people associate Mary Sue with bad writting (something I disagree)and this trope wasn't designed to be a new Take That! or an implication of bad writting.

As the article says: "A normal character acquires some of the traits of a Mary Sue".wheter or not the character actualy becomes a sue is decided by the reader.

It is now more about characters that become very similar to a Mary Sue or become in-universe MarySues.

For intance Alex Russo goes to another universe and becomes very similar to a Black Hole Sue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6pJoX8Sdk that universe is all "is all about her" so she becomes a Black Hole Sue.But then things are revelead as not being as awesome as they seemed initialy.

However if you guys feel it should be cut go on.

edited 15th Nov '10 5:46:53 PM by FallenLegend

What I want to know is why we're so concerned with subjective evaluations of character quality. People have Mary Sue on the brain.

^agreed. I think maybe maybe Mary Sue wasn't a good ide a for a Trope Namer

edited 15th Nov '10 6:43:16 PM by FallenLegend

So it has a crummy name. So what? It certainly looks like a trope- I can find no trace elsewhere in the wiki of the most obvious example (Buffy The Vampire Slayer "Superstar"). A screw-up in the YKTTW stage is no reason to Cut List it.

Let's get moving here. Crowner.

Your first and third options "Rename to Temporary Superpowers" and rename to Superpowers For A Day don't work for two reasons: 1) That trope already exists. 2) Temporary Superpowers is currently a redirect to Superpowers For A Day and 3) It's just as inaccurate; this trope doesn't require Superpowers, just "acquiring Sue-like attributes".

Which means the options you put on the crowner are Merge, Rename to God for a Day, and Cut. I've edited them to make the crowner less deceptive.

edited 16th Nov '10 8:46:34 AM by Madrugada

Oh for the love of...all right, fine, here, have a title crowner.

No, page action is the one it should be, but the options were screwed up.

Renaming to the name of an existing trope basically is merging it into that existing trope, and "rename" is an option all by itself; insisting that there's only one choice for the new name in shooting that choice in the foot, because if folks don't like the name, they have to vote down "rename" completely.

I was thinking more that if anyone could come up with another alternate title they could just, you know, add that to the page action crowner. I don't see why we have to segregate everything.

For those of you who don't have any idea what we're talking about because of the edits, I mistakenly wrote down Temporary Superpowers instead of Temporary Sueperpowers as a possible rename option (something I would not have done if I realized that the latter was the alt-title). Right now at the very minimum we're almost certainly putting all three current titles on the Cut List. The main question is what happens to the rest of it.

But making separate "rename to..." options splits the "rename" vote, making it more likely that none of them will gain a strong consensus.

I'm not sure what you mean- it's not like we're only allowed to vote for one option out of the list.

Besides, "consensus" in the page action context means relative to other available options. If neither "Rename to X" or "Rename to Y" can gain a higher vote than "Cut List the trope", what's the difference than if there had instead been a single option that just said "Rename, alt-title crowner over here"?

edited 16th Nov '10 9:24:10 AM by SomeGuy

Anyway, renaming to another title with the word "Sue" in it is preserving the basic problem, which is that it's Yet Another Mary Sue Trope.

If I think it should be renamed, but not to any of the names that are suggested, I'm not going to vote any of the rename options up, and if I really dislike the proposed names, I may even vote them down despite thinking it should be renamed rather than cut or merged.

And "consensus" is "substantially more support than opposition", not simply "more positives than negatives". An option that has one more Up than Down has a positive vote total, but it doesn't have a consensus.

And also that without the "Mary" it could be referring to any Sue.

edited 16th Nov '10 9:33:54 AM by troacctid

The rename proposal makes me very unhappy because I see problems with not just the name. Try taking out the bits that refer to Sueness and you get

usually this lasts only one episode, Story Arc, or equivalent. Can overlap with Super Powers For A Day.

When this trope wasn't intentionally invoked, common causes include: a new author got to write the character, he was trying too hard to please the audience, or he just got carried away with his favorite character."

well yeah the sueness was the basis of the trope.But I dont know another way to call upon unto Mary Sue traits without acusing a character of being one.

I belive the current description makes it clear that it only applies to charcaters that get similar traits to a Mary Sue.But arent actually one.

edited 16th Nov '10 10:57:21 AM by FallenLegend

God Mode For A Day? Narrative God Mode?

Narrative Super Star would work if Super Star didn't suggest a reference to celebrity status.

Yeah but I think the Narrative makes up for that. That's the only thing so far that makes me feel like somebody else is seeing the same potential I am.

For one thing, it relates it to A Day in the Limelight well.

edited 16th Nov '10 2:59:14 PM by SomeSortOfTroper

yeah narrative superstar sounds good

What about Perfect For A Day or Narrative God ?

Temporary A God Am I? What is there that is not covered by that, A Day in the Limelight, and Superpowers For A Day?

It seems like the options on the crowner should be Cut List It, Cut List It, and Cut List It.

edited 17th Nov '10 12:29:15 AM by rodneyAnonymous

I beg to differ

Explain, then. You aren't going to convince anyone by simply saying "I don't agree."

^ Sure. Correct me if wrong:

A Day in the Limelight is about a secondary character getting the spotlight. Superpowers For A Day is just about having powers ( enjoyed or not).

Sue For A Day is about a character getting traits similar to a Mary Sue(note I am not saying those characters actually become MarySues because that word is offensive for some, not to mention subjetive) like the universe bending to their will or being too perfect etc

being a secondary character that gets the spotlight (A Day in the Limelight) or having superpowers temporarily (Powers for a Day) isn't a requirement but they may overlap.

edited 17th Nov '10 8:44:48 PM by FallenLegend

So basically for one day the whole universe revolves around them. And then things go back to normal.