The Dark Knight Rises (no spoilers)

It's probably waaaaayyy too early for a thread like this but hell, we just got a title.

Typically, the most obvious villain gets the boot. It's like Nolan's trying his damndest to throw us off his trail.

I never saw how the Riddler was the most obvious. I don't know in fact why every fan got convinced it would be him. i think it,s because he's the most "mundane" villain of them all?

I like the title. I don't think we had something like that in the comic before, so it's a nice new spin on a oldtradition.

Why must movie titles always "Rise?"

It didn't work for the Fantastic Four and it didn't work for Terminator and it didn't work for G.I. Joe and it didn't work for The Scorpion King and it didn't work for Van Wilder. What makes them think it will work for Batman?

^^Riddler isn't that mundane. He could actually pretty freaking weird and interesting depending on how he's written.

The title isn't bad though I have a slightly perverted brain >.> Eh, I don't have much else to say until the villain gets revealed.

edited 27th Oct '10 10:40:41 AM by Jumpingzombie

Darn, I was hoping for a David Tennant Riddler. Oh well. I hope this one isn't as grim as The Dark Knight. *is promptly bricked for not really liking TDK*

By "mundane" I meant no superpowers, no weird gadget like Joker Gas, no weird origins.He was the most "realistic" villain left, if you prefer that word. Or maybe it's because he was the last major cerebral villain left and Nolan loves cerebral stuff...

I don't see how you can say it didn't work for these movies. Rise was an appropriate term for the plot of most of them. If you're trying to say that they were flop, well I don't think you can chalk this up to the title.

As for Batman, it works because it the end of a character arc - Batman first gegan to came into being, then he became a "dark knight", a mistrusted figure fighting from the shadows, and then he'll rise, become more than a man - a symbol. And after his "fall" in the Dark Knight, he has to pick himself up, to rise, am i right?

edited 27th Oct '10 10:46:58 AM by collex

^Oh ok. My mistake.

edited 27th Oct '10 10:45:08 AM by Jumpingzombie

No need to apologize. My word choice was confusing. I was in the wrong, not you.

Catwoman might work bur not as the main villian. Batman has q very diverse Rouges Gallery so its kind of hard to guess.

...well, I'm a pervert. My first reaction was along the lines of wondering if something else also rises.

..so. Does it?

Well, given that his last love interest was blown to smithereens, I doubt it'd be the Bat's.

UNLESS the title is an incredibly subtle clue to an appearance by Poison Ivy. Just saying.

edited 27th Oct '10 10:56:45 AM by ZeroPotential

If Bat's something else also rise, it'll probably be for Talia Al'Ghul or Catwoman, which is the closest thing he had (or still have) to serious girlfriends in the canon.

^Actually, that made me think. Maybe because of her father being in the first film, Talia is going to show up for some ass kicking/torn love interest-ness.

I had an idea like that. Talia comes back for revenge with the League of Shadows and its top assassin, Bane.

Bane is an interesting idea - with the way this series does things, he could be the source of some goddamned scary Body Horror.

Long shot: Rupert Thorne and Hugo Strange.

Fingers crossed for not-Bane.

Why must movie titles always "Rise?"

[I]t didn't work for Terminator

Your. Mileage. May. VARY.

I thought it worked really well for the Cybermen, too.

Besides, they used "Rise of [the] X", not "X Rises"

edited 27th Oct '10 1:02:54 PM by OldManHoOh

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's Al Ghoul returned. I mean, his canon power us not dying, and we never saw his death in Begins, so it's entirely plausible.

It's ghul, not ghoul.

Yeah, Talia Al'gul is a possibility, especially since there is a rumor that appeared just before the title was announced that Nolan was looking for a lead actress, maybe for a villain.

If Talia Al'Ghul is indeed in it, I could easily see the movie exploring the term of "legacy". How cool would it be if the climax was a massive battle between talia and various criminals agaisnt Batamn and Bat-wannabes from TDK. A bit like the end of Dark Knight Return. With Batman on a horse. Please, I want Batman on horse.

By "mundane" I meant no superpowers, no weird gadget like Joker Gas, no weird origins.He was the most "realistic" villain left, if you prefer that word. Or maybe it's because he was the last major cerebral villain left and Nolan loves cerebral stuff...

I don't think not being mundane would keep Nolan from using a villain; he did, after all, use Ra's Al Ghul, and the only "gadgets" his Joker used were military-grade explosives.

Dammit, the Riddler is my favorite Batman villain, it's a pity to see him go... or rather, to not see him at all.

I'd better see some Harley, Chris.

And yes, before anyone says anything, Harley is in the comics.

^^I don't know. If she appeared, I'd kind of like seeing her dynamic with the Joker, but that probably won't happen anytime soon.

Though, I'd think it would be sweet if Baby-Doll shows up some how. And that's gotta be one of the lowest possible chances ever.

edited 27th Oct '10 2:41:46 PM by Jumpingzombie

Egad, a thought strikes!

I think it'd be great to see a Batman film serial actually set in a thirties noir environment that didn't chicken out of featuring the extended Bat-family and the more unrealistic villains, like Poison Ivy and Killer Croc (and Harley, although she first popped up in The '90s). It'd give Batman's universe that cool steampunky feel I dig so much. Hell, a slight sepia filter might be nice, too (like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, but not as drastic).

Yeah, if we can't get our Joker back (and short of necromancy, we can't), I don't think Harley would work too well.

I kind of want to see Killer Croc. Of the "horrible medical condition" variety, not the "giant crocodile monster" variety.