Bleach

Replace Jar Jar with Yoshi, THEN they'll truly stand a chance.

You're right, Yoshi's a better choice. Or maybe the Tootsie-Pop Owl.

Aizen: Dearest apologies mister Owl, but with my current power, it'll take more than 3 licks to defeat me.

Mr Owl: Since when were you under the impression that I haven't licked you far more than thrice?

edited 9th Aug '11 7:26:59 PM by Rynnec

The reason Yamamato could tell Aizen wasn't an illusion while pierced by his sword might also be related to how (as Gin later demonstrated) physical contact with Kyoka Suigetsu renders you're immune to its illusion (that is while you're in contact with it, not after).

@Corr Terek: Really, peopling thinking sight, hearing, taste, touch, and smell are the only five senses is along the lines of people thinking fire, water, earth, air, and ether are the only five elements. People have a lot more than five senses; exactly how many they have is disputed, but it's definitely more than five.

edited 9th Aug '11 7:34:37 PM by thatother1dude

You win. I'm not sure what but the winning is beyond a doubt.

I am aware of that. I was making a funny. The joke just doesn't work if we include the myriad other senses we actually have. Though if you like, I can try to make a joke about defeating Aizen by proprioception.

edited 9th Aug '11 7:38:39 PM by CorrTerek

I still se no evidence (apart from Aizen needing to be damn fast) that that was anyone other than Aizen who thought "Shit. EVERYTHING'S BACKWARDS!" I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Cru on something Aizen-related.

Hey, I dunno when he made the switch. But if Aizen were smart, which isn't something that he's been lately, he would've switched as early as possible.

@Corr Terek: He actually doesn't seem to be able to control that*

Hell, let's just go through the Wikipedia list of senses (I know that section needs citation, but it's not that important) and see what Complete Hypnosis appears to be able to manipulate:

• Sight: Yes
• Hearing: Yes
• Smell: He probably had to make his fake corpse smell appropriate foul
• Taste: Not demonstrated, but it's not like he's had much reason to use this
• Touch (as in feeling pressure): Probably, given Hallibel would have noticed if it felt like she was just cutting through air
• Equilibrium: Doesn't seem so, otherwise he probably would have had people tripping over their own asses a lot more
• Temperature: I would think he could, but can't think of a specific example
• Proprioception: As stated before, no
• Pain: I can't remember, has anyone felt pain because of his illusions?
• Other stuff: If he had the power to make people think they are vomiting or needed to urinate/defecate, I doubt we'll ever find out
• Sense of time (not in that section but a related link): No, all his illusions seem to occur in real time

edited 9th Aug '11 9:53:20 PM by thatother1dude

My God, that's a lot of senses.

Plenty more where that came from. Whoever says anything about "five senses" factually is being a bit ignorant of what is actually deemed a sense. For example, some animals can detect magnetic fields, the visible light spectrum is different across animals, all animals can detect temperature levels, as far as I'm aware, etc., etc.

To mess with someone, give them a covered drink, telling them it's one thing, when really it's another. For example, Sprite and lemonade. In my experience, I taste a mix of what it is and what I thought it was.

Aizen's use probably isn't the best example, because even with what we know he can do, he's been pretty stupid about it. For example, not blinding or deafening everyone with high intensity light or sound.

edited 9th Aug '11 10:10:40 PM by wanderlustwarrior

I knew about priprioception (thanks, Robintherose!) and time perception, but damn.

I'm so using them in my story.

for the record, pain is nocioception. Literally awareness of a noxious/toxic presence. This doesn't always mean pain in the traditional sense: being punched triggers pressure receptors, for example, while spicy foods trigger nocioceptors in the mouth.

Huh, so that's independent from sense of touch?

"touch" is a laughably misnamed sense, to me. Just off the top of my head, we've got: deep pressure receptors, shallow pressure receptors, and muscle stretching receptors. The muscle stretching receptors are also used in proprioception (balance / awareness of one's self). Connecting to that, balance is also based in the semi-circular canals, three hollow tubes of bone in each ear filled with "hairs", liquid and other stuff.

Please excuse the science lesson.

Also, a good number of these senses can be fucked with, and our understanding of some is severely limited to normal human experience. While every now and then the general public may think the well of knowledge is tapped, it's when we find a case outside of the norm that we learn about what our bodies can really do.

Life, like all of science is incredibly complex. To say there are "five senses" or that it's anything short of a miracle, is a great disservice.

Now, for something that'll really blow your mind, something that came up in both my college bio and psychology courses: read the book The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat. I'd recommend starting with a short case I did a project on, "Eyes Right!"

edited 9th Aug '11 10:25:53 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Ah, guess that makes sense. So are traditional (misnamed) five senses something official or just something generally known by public? I think we should start teaching those senses in school as well.

Just to let you know, science lessons, especially ones related to human biology and neurology, are always appreciated. Well, at least by me.

For some interesting stuff on senses, feel free to peruse this article. The conclusion it comes to is that if you count everything we have about 14 to 20 different senses. The five that everyone gets taught are just the most obvious ones.

Freaking. Awesome.

So if you wanted to pretend to be psychic, it'd be more accurate to say that you have a fifteenth and/or twenty-first sense.

Oh, and here's something that'll weird you out. In an effort to understand vision development, humans being primarily and increasingly visual creatures, scientists experimented in rats to remove the part of the brain that interprets vision (in the occipital lobe) and replace it in the part of the brain that interprets sound (closer to the temporal lobes). They found the new area was able to adapt, and the rats could still see, but not as well, but could barely hear, as the hearing part adapted to turn slightly into the vision part.

We were talking about "time perception" earlier. That's one they missed. That's based in the Pineal Gland in the brain, what is metaphorically analogous to (and thus referred as) the "third eye" or "mind's eye". It's due to that working that we have any sort of daily schedule and are biologically programmed to live our lives as 24 hour days (remember, there isn't really a 24 hour day. The human perception of time is based on geography and used to suit our perception of a 24 hour day). We don't know all of how it works, but it has something to do with even limited exposure to other senses, especially vision (light, and seeing the outdoors). In sleep deprivation studies, the brain gets all out of whack specifically when we're cut out from seeing natural light (or anything, for that matter), but then resets itself in about 24 hours from a return to normalcy. So lets say you went a week in this study with only one hour of sleep each night. Once done, the average participant may go for 12 hours the next night, but then is almost immediately back to their norm the following night.

So... um. Bleach.

edited 9th Aug '11 10:36:51 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Well, the brain thing does sound like something that Mayuri would do to, well, whoever he wants/can get his hands on. For fun, and for SCIENCE!!

edited 9th Aug '11 10:38:47 PM by Grahf

Neuroscience discussion? On "my" Bleach thread? It's more likely than you think.

Alright then, I'll continue. Taste and Smell are the most interconnected of the "five senses", because they are made up of incredibly similar cells, and follow very similar pathways through the brain.

People generally can't stand "complete" sensory deprivation studies for longer than a few hours. These studies include an odorless room, I belive no food, no sound (not even your own, you may be gagged, but might not, for reasons soon explained), complete blindfolding, and your arms and legs are bound in things that resemble paper towel rolls to keep you from touching or moving. These studies have shown us that the brain needs some external stimulation or else it can't stand it and demand to be let out (hence why I'm unsure of the gag, though they may take it off at intervals) before you go crazy.

edited 9th Aug '11 10:54:17 PM by wanderlustwarrior

What about when we sleep?

Sleep is a different animal.

The brain rests and sorts things while sleeping. We also provide ourselves with some new stimulation based on old external stimulation via dreams. Finally, we can still move, hear, feel make sound, etc. while sleeping. Only thing we can't do is see, and being visual animals, our dreams are in large part vision.

But I'm not going to go too far into this line, because the science of dreams isn't understood too well, and especially not by me.