During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Again, everybody wait until May 20th before discussing Civil War. 
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Shere Khan for heinousness issues.
Abstaining on the Controller for now.
to shere Kahn
Why didn't Ein and Evice from Pokémon Colosseum didn't qualify? I read a fairly brief argument on one page on Ein lacking a personality but someone I talked to on another website said he did, and overall I don't recall there being any votes or any proper effort post on either of the two.
Username, surely you can do the research and effort post yourself.
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Thomas Covenent rewrites, mainly grammar (anyone wants to expand on Lord Foul, please do; MG, the Ravers entry can stay until you writeup each one).
- The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant:
- Lord Foul is one of the most horrifically evil Dark Lords in fantasy, and proud of it. He's called "the Despiser" due to the fact that he holds every living thing that's not himself in purest contempt, and is perfectly willing to annihilate physical reality purely so he can escape from it. While he's waiting to accomplish that, he causes smaller-scale apocalypses, driving people so far past the Despair Event Horizon that they become agents of their own destruction.
- Foul's Co-Dragons, the three Ravers, are just as bad. They were originally three human brothers whose evil was so great it survived past the destruction of their physical bodies as incorporeal demons with a thing for possessing people. In addition to being willing accomplices in all of Foul's crimes note , and sharing his gleeful, psychotic sadism, each Raver has racked up a number of atrocities of his own. Moksha Jehannum Fleshharrower and Samadhi Sheol Satansfist both did stints as Foul's head general, massacring countless innocents—and their own troops. Individually, Samadhi, as Gibbon na'Mhoram, was the head of a Path of Inspiration that sacrificed countless lives while lying to the people of the Land that it would help reverse the After the End conditions of the Sunbane, when in fact it was just making it worse; Moksha stalked Covenant over much of the Second Chronicles infecting him with venom in order to force him to use his ring at full power whether he wanted to or not, which would have destroyed the world, which was the plan. Turiya Herem Kinslaughterer doesn't show up as often as his brothers, but commits one of the single most appalling atrocities in the Chronicles: single-handedly committing genocide of the Giants of Seareach while they refused to fight back.
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Damn, no need to be so condescending. I am honestly trying to figure if they have ever been discussed in-depth before. All I remember from using the search bar is someone saying Ein didn't have enough of a personality.
Condescending? Relax dude.
If that wasn't your intention my bad but the way you phrased it made me think you were being condescending.
@ACW: Honestly I think Lord Foul's write-up is fine as is.
Seriously. There's a recurring problem of you taking a personal dislike to something nobody else is and then bringing to up till you get the result you want on it. That's not how this is supposed to work. I don't have an issue with the entry. Nobody else has brought one up.
@ACW: Actually I'm gonna agree with Lightysnake. Please stop bringing up old examples and rewriting them for no reason other than your personal preference. The issues are resolved, they were voted on and approved before, you're disregarding the work other tropers have put into them, barely anyone else cares, just let it go.
edited 29th Apr '16 11:10:14 AM by OccasionalExister
A total has-been.
Shere Khan. Even in his worst incarnation, he doesn't go quite far enough and there's always some element of sympathy in how valid his concern about a mancub growing up to be a hunter who'd move in on his prey or endanger him and his kind is.
@Ein: Yes, it's because no one in Cipher has quite enough character to give us a full judgement on what motivated them in their atrocities due to lack of screen time and explicit on-screen information.
edited 29th Apr '16 11:23:17 AM by ANewMan
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There's no way Foul's original entry works with the others; too informal and Word Cruft-ian. Call me Grammar Police; I'll admit that.
edited 29th Apr '16 11:37:35 AM by ACW
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Well I took a look at the NCIS:LA page and I have now decided to write an effort-post on Malcolm Tallridge and John Bordinay. well here it is.
Who are they? What have they done? They are the head members of a dangerous radical militia group "Enhancing Law Enforcement" or ELE for short. They appear in the season one episode "Ambush".
Lets start with Malcolm Tallridge, the founder and leader of the organization. Tall ridge was a highly racist and anti-imigrant individual known to order his men shoot anyone who remotely looks like an immigrant, particularly people who don't look white. He was also brutal and ruthless as a lead where he ordered anyone who disobeyed him or broke his rules to be killed as.
As for John Bordinay, he is Malcolm's Dragon and is just as racist and paranoid as he is. He is known to carry out Malcolm's dirty work, where he killed dozens of immigrant, including children. He also doesn't just kill immigrants but also those who don't support his radical beliefs such as marine private Scott Reilly when he finds out he was undercover.
Freudian Excuse? None. Their only reason why they do these things is because they are highly racist.
Redeeming Qualities? None. While John may be working under Malcolm and following his orders he doesn't really any true loyalty or care for the guy and is only following the guy just to support his own twisted view. I'm sure if Malcolm didn't follow his views, he would kill him without any hesitation.
Heinousness? Malcolm Tallridge founded dangerous militia group purely out of his own racist views and ordered his John Bordinary to kill dozens of immigrant including children, which the latter does so without any hesitation or remorse. Let me remind you that they actually killed children, which is quite rare in the NCIS universe so yeah I say they count.
Final Verdict?
I'd give them a ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
. Now lets see what you guys give them.
edited 29th Apr '16 12:42:49 PM by G-Editor
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Racist child-killers? Seems like a for me. I'll try and watch the eps with Clairmont, Bright, and Landis tomorrow (and I'll try and see "Bait"; I need to know if they tried to blow up the whole school or just the 2 victims). From the transcript:
All of them died of thirst, including three children.
It doesn't bother them.
The deaths prove their point.
The situation's out of control and they need to engage.
They claim to be protecting our freedom.
We were hoping to lock these guys down before they did something really crazy.
Like arming themselves with Dragon missiles.
I think maybe they just have.
edited 29th Apr '16 12:53:04 PM by ACW
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Messenger from another dimension.
Malcolm and John. Gosh, I hate anti-immigrant sentiment. Its one of my Berserk Buttons.
Malcolm and John
Wild Child
Malcolm and John.
Malcolm and John
I am not sure if Vaughn should go up just yet. While he has committed plenty of atrocities, and the season is over, he's still alive and there is no indication that his role on the show is over. He could be given a redeeming quality in the third season like Blaine was given a redeeming quality in the second season. We decided to wait until season two of Gotham is over before doing a full discussion on the Dollmaker, a villain from season one. Why not wait to see if Vaughn will end up like Blaine? Even if he is not given redeeming qualities, he may do more evil in the future, which would have to be added to his write up.
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I feel like it's debatable whether Shere Khan even truly goes over the MEH. He's got only two on-screen kills, and both are adult males in conflict with him. He's cruel, petty, and vindictive to be sure, and a great villain, but lacking in that extra viciousness to put him anywhere close to a CM. I almost feel like if we got to know more about King Louie, he might be closer - I got a vibe of a Jabba the Hutt debauched madman out of his short appearance - but that's a matter for the sequel.
uhhhh. I think you missed the finale. Big time
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Killing someone in front of their family, all just to force another person who willingly left your territory to get away from you to come out of hiding, is a bit more than just harsh. I can fully understand why he fears man and why he wants to kill Mowgli, but that was too much for me. Definitely not CM material, but he definitely crossed the MEH.
Malcolm and John. Seems like you've been finding a lot of these NCIS villains on very short notice, considering how many episodes there are. O__o
edited 29th Apr '16 2:18:23 PM by Tyk5919
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Go for it.
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