The Law Enforcement Officer Thread

It's still completely irrelevant and is not need to know information.

Since when did NCR hire ninjas?

edited 23rd Aug '14 10:15:08 AM by Cyran

And even so, it's a Red Herring. It doesn't tell us anything about what happened immediately before the shooting, which is the important bit.

The only thing it could speak to would be that with a violent history such as that it increases the odds that he may have attacked the officer as the officer states. A persons history in such types of incidents can be used to tie how they acted in another incident.

Again, just throwing it out there that that info is just coming out and a msm media themselves - including places such as CNN are suing to try to get at his juvenile records which may or may not ever be released. That will be another matter for the courts to decide.

It may also be a load of b.s. too.. but just saw that posted elsewhere and we will have to see how things turn out.

The whole situation in Ferguson is one in which anything said about any participants should be taken with a grain of salt unless they are provided by a reliable source.

Regardless of any history, imagining someone struggled for a gun and didn't bust his eye (that was a lie as someone linked earlier), was shot at close range but magically had no gunpowder residue in the wound (again, a lie), then ran thirty feet away with a magical gunshot wound before turning around and charging the police officer in such a way as to receive several wounds in the same arm and two bullets in the head... makes. no. sense. People don't act that way in real life, only in southern American police reports.

edited 23rd Aug '14 10:24:23 AM by Cyran

Texas ‘sovereign citizen’ sets dumpster fire, reports self missing to set up police ambush

Still alive and white, though.

Have those of you seen the shooting of Kajieme Powell that hadn't had the chance to review the video earlier?

edited 23rd Aug '14 10:52:29 AM by Cyran

Of course he's white and lived.

Furthermore why aren't we coming down on these Sovereign Citizens jackasses more often? They easily fit the definition of a domestic terrorist group.

Some of them already are classed as a domestic terrorist threat by the FBI and other state and local agencies.

Some do.

A bit more context is needed beyond an offhand comment about him being white. Being white will not stop you from getting shot by the police especially if you are shooting at them or pointing a gun at them. He made himself a barricaded suspect but before things got to the point where a SWAT team would be used to take him out he surrendered and walked out. The vast majority of the time in those situations where they surrender willingly they survive. If SWAT has to go in for them they usually get shot.

You do realize that an extensive arrest record speaks worse on the police than it does him right?

Convictions is what you need to look at. Anyone can be arrested on a whim. That is nothing. Convictions are what makes it about that person or not.

For example, Let's say I am at a party. The noise gets a little carried away and the cops are called. They come and find that someone is underage and drinking. Now because I am of legal drinking age, the cops have the right to arrest me under the charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and all sorts of noise infractions. The charges can go higher if that kid gets hurt or something else.

Now, I'm arrested, processed, and get my time before the judge. The judge will consider that while I technically qualify to be arrested, I am not guilty. So the charges are dropped, and I go home. After all, I didn't contribute to the drink, I didn't know the kid was there. Other people such as the host and the actual facilitators could be charged.

If I'm in a crappy small town, like Ferguson, I would be known to the cops and my friends would as well. It would not be uncommon to hear that we would be arrested again where most cops could have just told us to cut it out or let it down. That's the other side of police harassment. Most won't shoot you, but they can still find other ways to make your life hell.

So I would not take an arrest record worth crap. A conviction rate, maybe. But for the last time.

THE ADULT HAD THE GUN, not the child.

Indeed it's ridiculously easy to be arrested. You dont even need to be formally charged with anything. Hence the 'you have 24 hours or we cut him loose' trope in police fiction. Although they can retain you for a lot more than 24 hours in most cases.

Some states like California rightfully make it illegal for employers to ask employees if they were arrested without convection as it's often as high as 40% of the male black community who would be effectively made unemployable.

edited 23rd Aug '14 4:26:28 PM by joeyjojo

I can look at the same extensive arrest record and deduce that the this poor kid was a target of constant harassment by the local police department before he was shot. There's no context to decide what it actually means.

It's like the old statistic about how most people in car accidents who went to the ER had been wearing seatbelts. Ah-hah! Seatbelts cause more injuries than going beltless does! Except that you should also take into account that most of the folks in car accidents without seatbelts evidently went straight to the morgue because ER docs don't deal with corpses.

Can I ask what qualifies a crime for hate crime classification? Because it is very strange that in this case, the Sheriff is saying that a beating and shooting that followed arguments over mixed race grandchildren and burning crosses does not qualify.

It all depends on the state.

This article says that it cannot be classified as a hate crime according to Mississippi law because the victim and the perp are the same race.

(This is a common loophole in many southern states, regretfully.)

Compare to this classified hate crime. Both are in Mississippi and recent, with similar violence to the victims, but because one victim was black, it's a hate crime. And it is, but that's the only way the law can recognize it.

Arkansas has similar laws, except if it is a white on minority race, it's supposed to be ruled out as a hate crime before proceeding. That doesn't always happen if the case is more clear cut, but because we still have government oversights for another 3? years or so (I'll have to look it up) they're better about it then others.

Assault for shooting someone in the gut while he's on the ground? How is that not attempted murder?

Previous to this year, Mississippi didn't have an attempted murder law. source.

Welcome to the south...

LA SWAT team descends on college campus when man's umbrella is mistaken for a rifle

Police response: appropriate.

Person who reported it as a gunman on campus in the first place: dumbass.

Reminds me of the guy who picked up a bb gun from the toy/sporting aisle of Walmart and someone called the police on him.

Unfortunately, it didn't end so nicely there.

Given the amount of damage lone gunmen have caused on campus in the past the response is understandable.

The big difference in the two is the umbrella looks less like a gun then the bb gun in question. The BB gun the guy was fooling around with in Walmart was modeled on a real fire arm and at glance certainly looks real. It was a Crossman Mk-177 modeled after a Bushmaster ACR. Sans the overt orange or blue safety tip there is very little to go off of to tell if it is real or not. Crossman includes in the various bits of literature that comes with the gun not to brandish or wave it around as it might be mistaken for a real fire arm.

edited 25th Aug '14 6:50:29 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Cross posted from the US politics thread.

Alleged audio recording from the time when Michael Brown was shot.

Audio shows there to be a cluster of 6 shots then a pause and then another cluster of 4.

If it's real then the whole situation just got a lot more fucked up.

A New Tampa, Florida dispatcher is under investigation after he refused to send help to a mother whose child accidentally locked himself in their car.

Not sure if this was posted, but apparently In Ferguson, which has a population of 21,135, there were 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses in 2013.

''Cops'' Crew member killed during police response to Armed Robbery at Wendy's restaurant The robber was using a realistic airsoft fitted/used with a sound simulator. Three officers fired at him killing him. The Cops crew member was hit by a single police bullet in a spot not protected by body armor. My bet is stray round or ricochet.

edited 27th Aug '14 3:59:02 PM by TuefelHundenIV