Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
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If Clinton wins, it's going to be because America spoke out as one to reject white nationalism and the movements it's created, and she was the closest reasonable facsimile to a decent candidate to carry that flag. In a political climate that would allow her victory and as "The closest thing to a progressive candidate", I think it would do Clinton more good than harm to take that kind of measure.
edited 19th Sep '16 1:19:48 PM by TobiasDrake
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Afp: Because we can look at history and see that is exactly what they did despite having MP's and will likely do it again. I hate to tell you there are not a whole lot of MP's who have to police military bases and base housing and often in fewer numbers then most local police field. There are lot more infantry not doing anything combat related and many units have some riot training. Again there is a pretty good history of military being deployed when some other force should have been used and they were not exactly light touches.
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I think it's worth mentioning that the US military was deployed and played a major role in quelling the Los Angeles riots back during The '90s. The intervention involved up to 4,000 troops at maximum strength.
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More seriously, it's because there 1) tend to be a lot of them, 2) they are designed to be deployed on relatively short notice, and 3) there's a lot more of them than military police.
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It is also worth mentioning that by the time the California National Guard was federalized and military troops actually sent in law and order had already been effectively restored. They pretty much showed up after the fact and worked presence, and clean up details. There were a whopping two incidents where some idiots tried to take on the national guard directly and one of them was killed and the other injured. The National Guard saw some heat but nothing like the police had been facing by the time they showed up and were ready to start actually sending out troops on patrols. Most of the rioters were not actually interested in the military with a few exceptions. There were four notable incidents with two of them being national guard assisting in criminal apprehension and two involving people crazy enough to try and run over National Guard before getting shot.
That was also a completely different military from today. 1992 to 2016 is a completely different military in many ways not only in attitude but in the wars they fought and how they "policing". The military then fought and won the Gulf War and the US social picture was a bit different as well. The one we have now is not even done fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 15 years and included the national guard in an ugly conflict that has a few too many ugly parallels to Vietnam.
You deploy those troops from the second group in a long term policing role to replace a police department I can all but guarantee things will not go well or go nicely. Not only is there some public distrust in general of the government but of the military itself after more then a few ugly things came to light from the times in Afghanistan and Iraq. To make matters worse militant groups are literally up in arms. Try and imagine what the New Black Panthers who are more militant then the originals or any of these conspiracy spewing "Bundy and Friends" groups will do if you plop a military force onto a city to police it long term after you remove the local police.
Sorry folks but trying to use any part of the military in any such long term role is just begging for bad things to happen.
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A procrastination in of itself
I mean all the whack jobs picking a fight with the military and getting put in jail might be enough to turn several states blue from population change...
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Or it could see a sharp rise in domestic terrorism as the nutters now believe they have to wage a guerilla war to "protect murica and der guns!" from the gubbiment commin for them with the blessing of the NWO Jewish-Illuminati-Nazi-Alien-Hybrid-Wizard-Satanists-Lizard people
Either that or the military will just start recruiting more extremists and gang members before giving them health problems, a grudge with the government, and then screwing them on bennies before kicking them out.
I don't think any sort of long term military deployment of any variety, national guard or otherwise, would end well in the long term.
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The video of Terence Crutcher's shooting has been released.
(Warning: graphic.)
As expected, guess what? He had his hands in the air and was complying with commands when he was just shot for no reason. And you can also clearly hear an officer saying he "looks like a bad dude." He looks like a man in a T-shirt.
After Crutcher is tazed - and shot - the officers just fucking stand there like statues and look at him. No attempts to perform first aid. No attempts to stabilize him or even check on his status. You can see him moving around on the ground, still alive, while they just watch him die in a pool of his own blood.
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Fuck cops
Oh really when?
Pretty much.
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Jesus Christ, there's absolutely no justification for that one.
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Nope. Fuck em. That was just cold blooded.
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And I bet you dollars to donuts that his murderers are going to get off scot fucking free. Because there's no police accountability in this country, and there's no fucking deterrent against killing unarmed black people. And I see no signs of this changing anytime soon. Cops are just killing unarmed black people, by the hundreds, and all people want to do is sit back and snarkily bleat "no, all lives matter."
Hey, speaking of which, another black man was killed by a police officer in Charlotte just now. The cops say he had a gun. Witnesses say he had a book.
Oh, and an inmate in Milwaukee County Jail died of dehydration after the Trump-supporting sheriff denied him water for six days. Six. Days. He died of thirst in an first-world prison cell.
America 2016, folks.
edited 20th Sep '16 6:12:08 PM by RBluefish
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I could see the shooters in this incident getting dismissed at the very least, this one is particularly blatant.
What happened to the cop who shot the therapist to "protect" him from his patient (who was armed with a toy truck)?
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...Wow that second one is wrong beyond reason and sanity.
Dollars to donuts...lol sorry.
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If anything is going to change in this country, a cop, or multiple cops, that pull this crap need to be made an example of. That means jail time. Until other cops see that they will be held accountable for their actions, this will continue.
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Dismissed isn't enough. They murdered him. They should be arrested, tried, and locked up.
On the subject of the (even more blatantly unforgivable) shooting of Charles Kinsey, the last I heard he was pursuing a lawsuit against the asshole who shot him. The officer wasn't arrested, as far as I know - despite having shot an unarmed man who was lying on his back with his hands high in the air.
It's horrifying. The shit that happens in jails and prisons makes me hesitant to call this a first-world country. You have prisoners with gangrenous legs being denied medical care. You have guards encouraging prisoners to rape teenage inmates. You have duly appointed law enforcement leaders letting people die of thirst in their cells. You have work prisons being run like slave labor camps.
And, of course, you have people being put in those prisons for no fucking reason at all.
Hear, hear. We need to stop this before more innocent lives are ruined or lost. Let cops know that they can't get away with this anymore. If cops knew, for a fact, they were going to be held duly accountable for their actions, we might suddenly see a lot fewer "gee it was him or me" situations. When it's their asses on the line, suddenly they might remember how to de-escalate instead of kill.
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Yeah in the end a big part of the problem isn't just the cops doing the shootings but also the fact that no other cop is willing to arrest them and no DA is willing to charge them.
I do wonder if a sufficiently ballsy person could try and charge an entire department and local DA with conspiracy to commit racial motivated murder for refusing to push such an obvious murder.
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There might be but those people tend to end up dead.
Oh really when?
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The Economist: Police in Chicago are being trained to defuse violent encounters
DONALD TRUMP often frets about Chicago’s recent crime wave, calling the city's homicide rate, which has risen sharply this year, a “horror show”. What is the Republican presidential nominee’s solution? In August, Mr Trump said he knew “a rough, tough guy” in the police department who could “stop [murders] in one week” if only he were in charge. The problem contributing to the sharp increase in homicides, Mr Trump said, is that police “right now are not tough”.
A broader perspective tells a different story. In recent years, the Chicago police department has faced mounting scrutiny over incidents that appear to involve the indiscriminate use of violent force toward citizens. From 2010 to 2015, according to the Chicago Tribune, 92 deaths and 170 injuries resulted from 435 police shootings. The most glaring example—sparking heated street protests and calls for Rahm Emanuel, the mayor, to resign—occurred on October 20, 2014 when Laquan Mc Donald, a black, knife-wielding 17-year-old, was shot and killed by police. Mr Mc Donald had reportedly been breaking into cars that day, and he was bold enough to slice a tire of the patrol vehicle after the authorities confronted him. But as dashboard-camera footage of the incident showed, Mr Mc Donald’s three-inch blade never posed a threat to any officer: the policeman who shot him, Jason Van Dyke, was at least 10 feet away. After a long-delayed release of video footage showing a defenceless black man being shot 16 times in 15 seconds, Mr Emanuel appointed a task force to investigate the department. He may not have been prepared for the depth of the criticism that has come his way.
The report, released in April, called Mr Mc Donald’s case a “tipping point for long-simmering community anger”. It condemned the Chicago police as unaccountable and suggested it was racist. The department’s “own data gives validity to the widely held belief the police have no regard for the sanctity of life when it comes to people of colour”. Its “long history and current practices are at the root of the deep distrust of the police and remain a significant impediment to improved community-police relations”. In short, the “community’s lack of trust” in the police “is justified”. The task force had a number of recommendations. In order to bring greater fairness and discretion to policing, the report said, the so-called Independent Police Review Authority has to go. Controlled by the mayor’s office and responsible for the bungled response to Mr Mc Donald’s killing, the agency does not oversee the police “fairly, competently, with rigour [or] independence”. As it is tainted by “a bias toward police officers”, a truly independent community-based body should be established in its place, the task force said. The report also urged Chicago to expand community policing and train officers in de-escalation techniques to dampen the risk of confrontations becoming deadly.
Some of these demands are being met. This autumn, at the behest of Mr Emanuel and his newly appointed police department superintendent, Eddie Johnson, Chicago police are being trained in the art of de-escalation. The two-day workshop is mandatory for all 12,500 officers. The way to rebuild trust in the department, Mr Johnson said, is "by letting the public know we are doing everything we can to resolve conflicts peacefully”. To this end, officers are learning how to approach suspects with greater calm and less aggression. They’re also practicing the techniques in simulations during which the officers strive to avoid shooting the suspect—or getting shot themselves. On September 18th, the Chicago police department announced that it would spend around $8m on body cameras, which the report said could help "promote accountability and transparency". The Department of Justice has also pushed for the use of such cameras nationwide. In August, Mr Emanuel announced that he planned to replace the the Independent Police Review Authority with a new agency and bring in a new inspector general position that will have the authority to investiage the police department.
No one really knows why homicides are surging in Chicago, which has had more murders this year than New York and Los Angeles combined. James Comey, the director of the FBI, has mused that the “Ferguson effect”—whereby police become less assertive on the street for fear of being accused of misconduct—may be playing a part. But a report from the Brennan Centre for Justice at New York University, which reckons that Chicago will be responsible for half of a 13.1% spike in murders expected nationwide in 2016, downplays that explanation. More highly concentrated poverty, a decrease in the number of police on the streets and heightened gang activity, it says, are plausible alternative explanations.
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Lets hope it sticks and works as advertised. If it can work there it can likely work just about anywhere in the US.
edited 20th Sep '16 8:07:47 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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Let's be clear here: we should not be offended that this happened to a black man.
No. We should be downright offended that the police did this to anyone.
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You can't remove race from this though. If that man was white he'd be alive.
Oh really when?
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I Believe That You Believe It is my response to the idea of a white person would not have been shot dead. There is certainly evidence to support the idea that minorities are specifically targeted. However I think saying, "Oh he was black so they killed him" misses the idea of Police Brutality in general, or kind of makes the idea that if it were someone else it's less of a tragedy.
With that said I do believe that the officers should be held to account with a black judge and a black jury, because it was a racial killing. Never mind whether or not it was racially motivated, if it were then that does make it worse, because it was a racial killing then the jury should be of the victim's peers.
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And even if Clinton wins, she won't be able to spend her limited political capital (if she has any) on something so divisive.
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