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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
I got suspended.
One thing that I can think of is my edits on Paper Mario Color Splash.
Another possibility is the edit reason I gave on my last edit (and I mean my last edit) to that page, or the edit on the Critical Backlash page regarding CS, because I believed this in good faith.
The final reason is admittedly not responding to a PM summons from several months ago. I was going to go to that discussion and even had a big filibuster all written up explaining myself, but I realized how wrong it was I was getting chastised just for trying to bring accountability and neutrality into the equation. However, not only did no-one send a second PM after I didn't show up, even now (not seeing any PM regarding this suspension for instance)- shortly after learning what the problem was, I actually went back and toned down what they found problematic at that point. Again, never heard back from anyone, so I assumed that version of the matter was settled with the toning down, and therefore not the reason for this suspension.
Regardless, I've been very, very careful and infrequent to my edits since then. I've only toned down edits that unnecessarily antagonize the older fans, such as the Critical Backlash trope that was added by someone else (similar to how I toned down my own edits regarding accountability on the game), or to add a gameplay issue many had brought up long ago, yet had not been placed on the page. Never once have I outright removed a pro-CS YMMV trope, even adding a few a while back. Similarly, almost no-one removed my own edits regarding issues with the game following the initial incident, indicating people had no problem.
For a small snippet of that filibuster that I believe is pertinent, "I’ve had plenty of time to look into and think deeply on Color Splash, as well as lurk around the fandom, which is why there are so many edits from myself. I don’t get to decide whether the tropes are positive or negative- that’s the game’s job. And I honestly hate the fact Sticker Star and Color Splash has so many negative things- I don’t take any joy in adding these tropes, but someone has to. I’m not going to pretend certain details don’t exist, as complacency or fear to speak up breed ignorance."
And that's not even mentioning that I've edited several non-Paper Mario pages with non-Paper Mario examples since then. It's a little extreme to suspend me from any edits on the Wiki at all just for including up to date, honest information on a game I've gathered lots of information on. This whole suspension is disproportionate, non-warranted, and, most of all, unjust.
So therefore, I believe this suspension is, at best, an error, as I have changed my ways. Not only have I showed I was willing to work with TV Tropes, but I have been working towards the mission TV Tropes has- be an all-devouring pop culture wiki. It just gets frustrating when my edits are portrayed as a problem. And because of this suspension, I can't even enter the discussion page when I actually want to of either the YMMV Paper Mario or Color Splash pages to see where the misunderstanding is coming from, since the Editing Suspension page blocks me. Though I strongly suspect the last editor of either page has something to do with this.
Nevertheless, maybe what's needed is a deal/compromise, one which addresses the crux of the issue. The deal is this- if this site undoes my suspension (allowing me to edit), I will not edit any eighth generation Paper Mario pages (Sticker Star, M&L Paper Jam, Color Splash and the Sticker Star content in Smash 4), nor include eighth generation Paper Mario games as examples under general tropes, nor even mention those works, until June 14th, 2018 (E3 2018's last day). In other words, a grace period people know I will not be around those pages.
This grace period would also serve another purpose. Namely, if it turns out I was right, and edits start being more nasty towards older Paper Mario fans (not the games- the fans) in my absence with no-one defending the classic side, while also watering down and or removing tropes pointing out major flaws, then my soft restriction on editing those pages is also lifted.
edited 27th Apr '18 1:45:00 PM by DarkChirano
Nothin' much, just cookin'.
Just checking back in. I haven’t heard anything after my post.
edited 26th Apr '18 2:57:12 PM by BlazingTrolls
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I'm the one who was in said edit war, received a ban, and wish to make an appeal for a ban lift also. We've agreed that we won't push it again.
edited 26th Apr '18 3:50:27 PM by RainingMetal
I'm gonna check in about my request as well (from page 665.)
Lost in Space
~Blazing Trolls: Whatever the facts of the situation may be, it takes two to get into an Edit War, and you were participating. The proper thing to do in cases like this is to step back, bring the matter to the attention of the troper body, and allow consensus to decide.
~Madius: Again, I need to point out that whatever concerns you have about bias and the factual nature of the content on our articles are unimportant if you're going to break our rules to get your point of view across. Discuss first, edit later. There was even a discussion about the issue, which you were participating in, while still edit warring. You also have a bit of a Parabombing problem. It's like Natter, but tucked into the middle of examples (like this) rather than tacked on as a secondary bullet.
We have a policy called the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment. It means that if you're at the point where you're embedding sources of evidence into your edit reasons, everyone involved needs to step back and thing the damn thing over. There's nothing so important about what we do that it demands such vehemence. We're fans talking about tropes. There's no need to "spread the truth".
~Jgamer: Okay, I'll release your suspension. Be aware that we don't look kindly to people who keep making mistakes after being notified of them. If you aren't clear about what a rule means, ask.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Neosuduno: The trouble is that this is your second time here for edit warring. If it's "really hard to restrain yourself", then maybe we aren't the site for you. Restraint and the ability to discuss issues civilly is a strong mark of a good troper. In the worst-case scenario, tell us about the problem via Ask The Tropers.
~Raining Metal: For your part, it really does look like you have some kind of problem with a particular character from XC2. I'm glad you've worked it out, but that sort of working-out is supposed happen first, not after we suspend you. Is that understood?
~Dark Chirano: Let's see... yes, you seem to have some sort of issue with the Critical Backlash trope on YMMV.Paper Mario Color Splash. Specifically, you seem to be trying to "un-bias" an article which you feel is unfair towards something you like. I think you're missing the point of what a YMMV subpage is. We aren't trying to convince anyone of anything; we are describing how people actually feel — opinions that demonstrably exist. All you're doing is inserting a variant of "nuh-uh" on the page, and using an inaccurate trope to do it with.
People not liking something you like is not a personal insult, and you'll never survive as a troper if you can't accept that.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
~Fighteer: I agree. I was most certainly in the wrong for allowing things to escalate that bad. As I said I will most certainly bring it to the community’s attention faster next time. I will also definitely try to avoid such heated conflicts.
edited 28th Apr '18 5:51:21 PM by BlazingTrolls
Very well, Fighteer. If YYMV is open to the point "an existing opinion can stay on the page", I won't get rid of that example or ones like it in the future. And I suppose I have seen evidence around the net that particular example exists, now that I think about it.
edited 27th Apr '18 9:06:32 PM by DarkChirano
Nothin' much, just cookin'.
I did use Ask The Tropers, and that is how I got banned. The mod decided to shut us both down.
I request an un-banning, as I feel I can contribute civilly again to TV Tropes once more.
edited 27th Apr '18 11:29:58 PM by neosuduno
We basically PM-ed each other after the whole debacle and we did manage to put it behind us in a civilized manner. I didn't use Ask The Tropers though. I also recall being able to edit not too long after everything was put to rest, and only discovered my suspension a couple days ago, a number of days after the conflict was settled.
Alright Fighteer, I apologize about the edit war. I also didn't know that parabombing was a thing. I'll try to be mindful of that in the future.
I'm temporarily blocked from editing. I tried sharing a fan work, and did my best to follow the rules and guidelines with text, paragraphs, etc. Like I just said, I did my best. But so many of the rules and guidelines are confusing; example: adding at least one \ after a line depending on what comes afterward. I admit I don't normally have to follow such steps when writing something, but it's still very confusing and I'm still new on here.
~dbzgal04: The wiki is not a hosting site for your fanfic.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Lost in Space
~Blazing Trolls: I certainly hope you can keep it under control, because I read that Ask The Tropers thread. More like that and we'll be waving goodbye. I'll release your suspension.
~Dark Chirano: I'm glad to hear that you understand how we work. We're interested in the fact that opinions exist; we aren't interested in convincing each other that our opinions are correct. I'll release your suspension.
~Neosuduno: Yes, you were suspended after the issue was reported, because you were edit warring. You don't get a free pass on behaving badly because you were the first to tell someone. As we have said time and again, if there's a disagreement, seek consensus first.
We have to get this across to you. If we don't, you'll be back here again, and that'll be it. So are we clear?
~Raining Metal: The timing isn't really important, but since I think we can trust you on this, I'll release your suspension.
~Madius: Very well, you get another chance.
~Dbzgal04: Let me expand a bit. You posted in Ask The Tropers about adding links to a fic on the wiki. What wasn't noticed when people first replied was that you were putting the actual text of your fic on our site. That is completely inappropriate. I'd like to determine what in the world you think TV Tropes is for, and why you seem unable to figure it out.
edited 28th Apr '18 8:24:03 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I get the message, and understand. Next time something like that happens, I will report to the mods via Ask The Tropers instead, and let them handle it.
Lost in Space
~Neosuduno: Excellent. Let's hope the message sticks this time. Suspension released.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pardon me if I did do something wrong here but...
Around December - January, I tried to edit my half-written detail in Fridge page of Kamen rider Ex-Aid (or maybe Kamen rider Build's) and I found that I could not edit.
My current best guess is that I, somehow, violated the edit rules (either by my own bad habits of save before checking or just plain accidents, not that they're excuses and they are, if I'm allowed to edit again, needed to be avoided at all costs from now on...)
I was delaying my post on this forum due to the fact that I'm busy in the real life's study, and I just have cleared the load of trouble so I decided to post for asking the actual reasons of my suspension and the request to be able to edit again.
The main reasons that I want to be able to edit again are 1) there are 2 pages (LAst WEEK and Honkai Impact 3rd) that need the further information and I am more or less confident that I have enough information on both games and tropes to edit them with quality 2) Personally, I think I am capable on seeking the Fridge in some medias (Kamen rider's in particular), and I could add some Fridge that are normally hidden well.
Hereby, I am asking for the reasons why I am suspended in editing, the request to get lifted in suspension, and the general advises on how I will not make the mistakes again.
I will patiently wait for your reply and listen to your word when you reply back.
Sincerely thank you for your warning and I wish I could work with this site again. Also, I'm sorry for any misdeeds I have done here.
Lost in Space
~Bbsaver: The problem is that your English is not very good, and you're leaving grammatical errors when you edit. While I'm sure you have plenty to contribute, it's not worthwhile if other users have to follow along after you fixing your mistakes.
If you'd like help improving your writing, you can use this forum thread, where users help each other with proofreading and grammar.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Hello I am kylotrope banned on my first day yeah..kind of emabrrising I am sorry for whatever inappropriate. Behavior I am guilty of and hope we can improve if this is about spelling errors then yeah...sorry about that its not completely a language thing as much as it is I do this with my phone so I get some stuff messed up
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Lost in Space
~Kylotrope: While we like enthusiastic new tropers jumping in, it's a real problem for us if you can't edit properly. Regardless of whether you use a phone, you need to use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation, and you need to follow our style rules. This isn't optional.
edited 30th Apr '18 6:40:23 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Thank you for the fast response.
To be honest, I am very surprise about the reason of suspension, but I guess I overestimate my English skill...
I understand the reason now and agree with it, it is not fun to fix someone else mistake and I know that...
For what I saw, and deduced in the forum, I could (and should) ask for the correct translation and post my draft edit to that forum. So that someone could proof/check my error, am I right?
Again, thank you for suspension reason and advise, I will surely use that forum to prevent any future grammatical mistakes.
~Bbsaver: Yeah, that's pretty much how it works. Once we feel that your written English in that thread is up to standard we'll release your suspension.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Thank you for your answer, I will improve my language skill for sure.
As I could not find the answer of the following question, please allow me to ask for my final question: How should I ask other tropers on the forum (after I corrected my draft, of course) to edit the article during my suspension? (or I should not do that?) I don't want to break another rules that somehow slip through my eye...
Sincerely thank for your responses.
Lost in Space
If you have clean edits in the Help with English thread, other people can make them for you. This is our only exception to the rule about editing on behalf of a suspended troper.
edited 30th Apr '18 7:49:43 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I got banned, for edit warring it seems. Thing is, we tried discussing it over notes, but got nowhere. I decided to drop it yesterday, but found I was banned just recently. Sorry for being disruptive. I hope the ban will not last too long.
It can be really hard not to war when people are adamant about their opinions, and I regret failing to notice that. I will try to restrain myself in the future.
edited 23rd Apr '18 3:53:30 PM by neosuduno