This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
I see, and understand. I have a bit of a temper (as you can obviously tell from that fiasco) and I'm trying to work on that. So far I've been mostly successful.
Also, now that I know where the report button is, I won't do that again. (I genuinely didn't know where it was >.>)
Now, can we please put this silliness behind us? I'd like to be able to work on my Pantheon profiles sometime today ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
edited 31st Jul '15 11:15:55 AM by BlackSunNocturne
Lost in Space
~Black Sun Nocturne: Very well. Welcome back, and happy troping.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I can see you have made some weak arguments. There were no Zero Content Examples for they were perfectly obvious to anyone with any knowledge of classical mythology. My writing is not weak and indeed when working on an article things are going to turn out better the more improvements one makes and since I constantly improve on the articles I work on it only stands to reason that you are are jumping to conclusions. Articles take time and when it came to Age of Bronze I was getting some work in on this article just before going out. You cannot accuse someone of poor grammar, spelling or anything else like that when they will be leaving the house in a few minutes. As for the "see above examples", it seems the examples of that I have seen on this site that have not been dealt with has made an impression on me. That impression would quite obviously be that it is permitted. I have never been rude in edit reasons, no doubt you are misinterpreting something and to finish I am unable to see the comment when clicking on the link. No doubt there is no such comment.
We make a point of not assuming prior knowledge.
If you don't have time to do a good job of editing, leave it until you do.
As has been said before in this thread, just because other people have gotten away with it before does not make it permitted.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Well, forgive me for not reading this entire thread. Well, now I know what not to do and I apologize. Therefore you can now remove the undeserved suspension.
edited 31st Jul '15 1:34:25 PM by jet556
Lost in Space
Not with an attitude like that. Your suspension was very much deserved, and at this point I'm not convinced that you will in any way be a valuable contributor after it's released.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
There is no attitude. You are merely misinterpreting things as are others. As for being a valuable contributor, I have proven to be so many times.
edited 31st Jul '15 2:32:33 PM by jet556
You're attempting to tell us how to do our job. Keep in mind that we have no requirement to remove your suspension until we are satisfied that you're not going to repeat the behaviour that got you suspended. And the way you've acted does not lend credence to this idea.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Not sure how one could misinterpret "undeserved" in light of the problems with your edits. It is wrong.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Attempting to tell you how to do your job? I am doing no such thing, as for the way I'm acting it tells any reasonable person that I will not repeat the behaviour that got me suspended. I am an honest person, people just misinterpret my actions online.
Lost in Space
"The problem is always other people." Yeah, no. You can read our site but editing it is way beyond what we're prepared to risk.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
You are in a dark room...
I got suspended a long time ago for posting troper-tales just after they were banned. I'd like my privileges re-instated please.
EDIT: To clarify, I was unaware of the ban at the time. I havn't sent an appeal before now mostly because I was fine just reading Tropes, I'd like to edit them now that sufficient time has passed.
edited 31st Jul '15 11:28:16 PM by gruegirl
Parole Model
Abandoning the previous exchange, I have a question.
Would a short-term project of sifting through a single problematic trope be of interest to you?
As a bribe, bargain chip, incentive kind of thing, and in exchange for release of suspension (SetsunasaNiWa alone would suffice), I'm to behave as if on parole, devote my edits to that project alone, regardless of how long it takes and how many other people join doing the same.
So far I've seen bad English and bad attitude toward others (obvious in discussions). So "parole conditions" may be me: not joining discussions uninvited (PMs and "project" discussion get exepmtion), not adding new entries unless approved by "Get Help with English" thread. There's no need to tailor these limits technically, I promise I can observe clearly explained agreements, and can be held responsible, should I ever step out of those boundaries.
The trope in question is Captain Obvious. In the past I've kept a bit of a record on what I'm doing with its wicks. The count of bad sinkholes-to-passable wicks stood at 41-to-8 from SetsunasaNiWa account's edits. Most of sinkholes are of the Joke Fulfillment Links nature as Administrivia.Sinkhole puts it.
I think Captain Obvious is easier to clean than Exactly What It Says on the Tin (on which I spent much more time, before runnning into certain walls), but still way over eight thousand wicks is a fairly large pool. When and if I finish, I would consider the project a sign of good will and see what happens to the outlook on my other editing privileges. Feel free to ban me again then. All this could be a good deal, unless people in charge wouldn't want to risk feedback from selectively cracking down on sinkhole rule.
edited 1st Aug '15 1:08:14 AM by SetsunasaNiWa
~gruegirl: OK, you are back in. No more Troper Tales, please?
~Setsunasa Ni Wa: Not sure myself. I think I'll let ~Fighteer speak here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
~Setsunasa Ni Wa: The problem we're having right now is a shortage of tropers who are interested in working in the Help with English thread. That said, I'm willing to extend you an olive branch under the conditions you describe. I'll lift the wiki suspension, but YKTTW will remain turned off. Also, there seems to be no need for you to have two active handles.
edited 1st Aug '15 7:08:39 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hi, so I'm new 
I'm not really used to the editing style. On one trope page I saw something that I felt was a little rude so I edited it out. It was comparing one person to another, but in all fairness person #2 had changed their ways and I felt it was unnecessary to compare the two. Then I was banned and the part that I edited was put back up. If anything is it possible to reword it so it doesn't offend either party? Once again, I'm new I don't really know how this works 
Thank you.
Greetings. Your suspension comes from two things: a) Deletions without a reason are unacceptable. It's not clear to me why that particular entry should be deletionworthy and b) tropers with "socialjustice" or such terms in their name have been troublemakers far too frequently - including agenda-driven deletions.
edited 1st Aug '15 11:09:15 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Like I said, I'm new it was a mistake. I apologize and I'm refrain from editing again. I explained my reason in my previous message. The article said:
"Snow tha Product. Most of her lyrics wouldn't be out of place coming from a dude, nor are they out of place when she says them. 'It helps that, unlike certain other female rappers, she doesn't force her voice to sound squeakier or higher.'"
I felt that was unnecessary because the rapper in question no longer uses cartoony voices in their raps. My mistake if I was the only one who found that rude.
No, I'm not a troublemaker and my beliefs do not necessarily mean I am. I simply don't want to be suspended just to have good terms on this site. Like I said, I'll refrain from doing anything.
edited 1st Aug '15 11:20:21 AM by socialjusticehoe
I got suspended today, but I understand your purpose for a reason.
By the way, how did I got banned?
edited 4th Aug '15 2:17:56 AM by Misharia
Hi, good day.
I made the very unfortunate mistake of typing in a haiku here insulting somebody that was annoying me on Deviantart. It was unprofessional of me to do so, I apologize profusely for my actions.
I humbly submit my application for reinstatement by the Administration, and hereby promise that this will never happen again.
~Socialjusticehoe: Suspension lifted. Remember to use edit reasons when deleting stuff.
~Misharia: Severe grammar problems, basically ("how did I get banned", not "got").
~Ry Rodrigo: OK, I'll let you back in. Remember that we are not at all interested in negative opinions about people offsite.
edited 4th Aug '15 9:22:17 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Acknowledged, I will improve my bad grammar, and it will not happen again in the future.
edited 4th Aug '15 6:44:58 PM by Misharia
@Septimus Heap the ban system can't distinguish between wiki edits and Troperville.
Oh-kay... I don't understand why, but that explains it. Gotcha.
Also, the statement on This Troper not to use it is neither new nor overly complicated.
I know that, and I never said it was, I just said it seems pretty vague.
I am not sure what your issue is, a lot of people making a mistake does not mean it stops being a mistake.
I'm apparently not doing too good a job at explaining myself, even though I am trying to; I know sometimes it's hard to put things into words through text rather than to directly speak them, so let me try this one more time:
- Up until recently, the only indication that I had received regarding the use of This Troper was that it was not allowed on work pages (tropes, Series, Films, etc.)
- Because there is excessive use of This Troper on subjective pages such Headscratchers, WMG, Sugar Wiki and Darth Wiki, I was under the impression that This Troper was okay on these pages.
- One of the offenses that prompted my recent suspension of use of This Troper on said pages.
- You guys say that This Troper has never been allowed on any pages, but this is the first I heard of such, as I was only informed about it not being allowed on work pages.
So, again, my feeling is this: there's been evidence of excessive use of This Troper on these subjective pages (which makes sense to me, considering those pages are built on varying opinions of the community anyway) for quite a while - you say it's because the staff hasn't been monitoring those pages (or haven't gotten around to them), but because this has recently become an issue that prompted a suspension of my editing privileges, I say it's inconsistency with the enforcememt of the rule (and this isn't the only rule I've found to be inconsistently enforced, but that's another discussion for another day) and I therefore feel I'm more wronged than in the wrong.
Am I making any sense yet?
edited 4th Aug '15 8:34:22 PM by justanotherrandomlurker
~justanotherrandomlurker: The statement on This Troper is a policy statement and it does not mention exceptions. It appears like you made the all-too-common mistake of assuming that a behaviour is OK because it's widespread.
Also, as a sidenote, it's not the staff's job of cleaning up This Troper. Te community as a whole works on such cleanup jobs.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
~Black Sun Nocturne: False information is not a justification for the level of rudeness that you displayed. When an Edit War raises its ugly head, the proper action is to inform the staff, either via the report button in the tools submenu or Ask The Tropers. Then you can operate from the high ground, rather than slugging it out in the mud.
~Jet556: Ahem. I think not. First, we have to establish the problem. Then we have to see if you understand what it is and will correct it. Only then will we discuss removing the suspension. In your case, the problems are many:
- Zero Context Examples: As apparent on ComicBook.Age Of Bronze, you are adding examples without explaining the use of the trope.
- Poor grammar/spelling. Your writing is weak and it makes the articles look sloppy, never mind making work for people to clean up. In particular, I note run-on sentences, lack of punctuation, and you aren't linking articles properly.
- Other bad example writing, such as "see above example", when that's something we don't permit.
- Unacceptable rudeness in edit reasons.
- Whatever the heck this comment
is supposed to mean.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"