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Pretty much, though that doesn't really mean anything useful in practice except with a very limited range of NPs that can put that high of a damage output.
Say, what's the trope for the Fate Zero anime's usage of a time-stamp right before each episode's ending theme? What's it referring to, anyway? I haven't watched the whole anime yet, but my gut feeling tells me that it's counting how much time is left before Kiritsugu gives the dual-Command Seal-backed order to destroy the Grail and inadvertantly cause the Great Fuyuki Fire?
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That's the countdown to the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War/the Fuyuki City fire, yes.
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Well, it goes to zero when he saves Shirou, so it may be that.
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Got the "Tamamo is the one for me" scene. That was adorable. The bits about the video confused me a bit, though. Also, there was a part where the text was in Japanese for a bit before Caster stops herself and starts again in English. I wasn't paying attention to the audio so was this the other way around in the original or what? And if so, why?
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Tamamo speaks in gratuitous English sometimes. As a joke, the English version took one such instance...and translated it back into Japanese.
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Oh, like the "GETO DESU!" she does when you get a rare item or when she got a husband.
I like how, unless I'm misremembering things, you basically fulfill Caster's Grail wish in that scene. After seeing a bunch of people with unfulfilled wishes due to both the nature of the Holy Grail War and the nature of the Grail itself, seeing someone actually have their wish granted was very nice, even if it wasn't technically granted by the Holy Grail.
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Tsukihime/Melty Blood, Kara no Kyoukai, and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru Japanese fandom are had bad relationship with Fate/Extra & CCC because Monji Gatou. Huh.
Well if you wonder why I suddenly say this, because yesterday I read someone from Tumblr asking why lack of fanart, cosplay and fanficiton of Berserker!Arcueid. Yes nobody give a crap about Berserker!Arcueid because it was dumb idea and pretend it was canon discontinuity. Kinda shame but I can understand why though.
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Is this Japanese fans opinions?
There's some fan art of Beserker Arcueid around and Gatou was cool in CCC.
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I think it's mostly because the Mad Enchantment took away Arcueid's personality and made her basically...an animal. I wouldn't be surprised if White Berserker was unpopular with Tsukihime fans solely because it was basically a twisted mockery of her (which is the point, as both her Matrix and the after fight scene repeatedly bombard you with how this isn't how Arcueid should be and Gatou is a idiot, but still)
It doesn't help that Nasu has gone on and said that her appearance was basically fan service and its canon status is questionable. I don't think Nasu has explicitly said her appearance is noncanon though. He said her existence isn't possible with the existence of the Moon Cell...then went on to elaborate how Gatou brought her himself and what she was doing during CCC (basically, she came to her senses, called Gatou an idiot, and fucked off. Well, considering the timing of CCC, she fucked off before that, but whatever)
Personally, I always got the impression that White Berserker was intentionally nerfed and striped of Arcueid's character. Like, I got the impression someone at the Type-Moon office was like "hey, wouldn't Arcueid as a Berserker be basically Red Arcueid" and Nasu went "no, that is a stupid idea and I am going to write up what would really happen to illustrate how stupid you are." If I recall, the EXTRA Material even compares Blut die Schwester to Red Arcueid's Moon Fall move.
Shrug. Ramble ramble.
EDIT: Wait, why would KnK fans care about White Berserker?
edited 31st Oct '14 8:26:49 AM by Otherarrow
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All you people talking about a game I may never get the chance to play. ;-;
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If you want to play Extra, then you can totally play it via emulation.
I dunno about CCC, but you're probably fucked there if you can't read moonrunes.
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Did you miss me talking about Tamamo earlier? I'm totally playing EXTRA. It's CCC that I can't play which makes me sad.
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Yeah, but Arcueid's only in Extra, not CCC, which is why I got confused.
Yes I aware that (You mean this one?
) but judging number of fanart/cosplay/fanficition/doujinshi of White Berserker team in Pixiv, Twitter, Nico Nico Seiga and etc, are very small amount number of fanart of WB team.
Not just Japanese fans opinions. Chinese, Malaysian, Korean and especially western fandom don't like WB team too.
If you suddenly call Monji Gatou's name, Tsuki/MB/Knk and MTNY fandom are goes berserk because necessary reason. Remember one of my friend translated Kiara's backstory and her real name? Apparently my friend said there was a porn comic featuring Gatou and Arcueid having ..... obviously, if you know what I mean, but netorare genre. Even worse is that I heard Tohno Shiki was there in the comic too. Believe or not, that was the most ultimate Berserk Button for Tsukihime fandom.
I had talked to Pixiv artists about what's their opinion of WB team: Some of them want Gatou died, gore, fatality, pretend he never exist in any universe, and so on.
What's bugging me, Gatou got unproper treatment in official stuff: In Fate/Extra manga, there is no Arcueid and Gatou being nothing but minor and cameo character. In CCC Foxtail, Gatou was killed for real in prologue chapter. In Koha Ace, Arcueid don't remember who the hell Gatou is. Lastly, Kotoyari the artist who always drawing Hibichika and FSN!Lancer. (If you don't know who is Kotoyari, remember I posted official fanart of Caren Ortensia and Hibichika) stated Gatou was his/her most hate character, not least favorite but hate.
In other word, Gatou is your typical scrappy character even he did good thing in CCC where he trying to save Jinako. (Well, it's not very memorable scene tbh unlike FSN!Extra Lancer will find his new master when he was going to heroic sacrifice).
@Otherarrow: Well Knk is like another Tsukihime series except it's different story. Or maybe people were interest of both series.
Fun fact: Fanart, doujinshi, and anything made by fan are very serious business for Japan. Probably the reason why the popularity of any series and any favorite character keeps status alive if or when the series is already end like Touhou, Kuroko no Basuke, Dragonball, Kamen Rider series, Megaman and Kancolle for example.
Btw, according to extra material stated about why Gatou become lunatic or whatever he is, he trying to learn how to black magic when he trying accomplish his training at sort of mysterious temple makes him goes crazy. Now I wonder if that reason why he able to summon Arcueid in sort of different ritual summon.
edited 31st Oct '14 9:30:58 AM by Shinichameleon
Wow, Tsukihime fans are raging with the butthurt.
Also, I am getting the impression that both Round 4 pairs are massively disliked. I found Gatou entertaining and Arcserker interesting as a concept, but I can see why folks would not like them (though the level of hate they get seems to be a bit much). Lil Ronnie and Vlancer, on the other hand? Yeah, I found them legitimately obnoxious as shit and I hate em. (Vlancer has a cool design though)
edited 31st Oct '14 10:35:31 AM by Otherarrow
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Oh, no wonder why I haven't encountered them. They're in the Rani route.
Lil' Ronnie freaked me out but Vlancer's double entendre laden speech was rather amusing, especially since my Servant was Caster.
Also, Caster has Merciful Sky now so the next Nephilim I run into is going to be in a world of hurt.
edited 31st Oct '14 10:44:51 AM by Zelenal
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When I ran into my first Nephilim, I just unloaded 6 skills in a row on it and obliterated it. Then again, I have easy mode on (I'm mostly playing for the story, and the fountains really don't make the game that much easier - mostly more convenient if anything), so I had an easy way of getting that MP back.
In before "Where's Tsukihime Remake?"
I found it funny when you mention about 4th route, both WB and VL team are share and same common: Vampire leitmotif servant, crazy masters, disturbing personality, annoying voice acting and pretty much both are hated by fandom. Except Arcueid, for some reason.
Some people said if you pick Rin route, because Arcueid. While if you pick Rani route, because Cu Chulainn. Kinda like "We came here just for Godzilla" trope.
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I'm pretty sure I'm playing on Normal but I don't even recall there being difficulty levels. There were no fountains past the very first floor of the first dungeon, though.
I don't have to be all that careful with my MP anymore since I have plenty of MP restorative items for the PC and the Staff of Fortitude as well as Caster recovering about one Cruse's worth of MP after each battle but I'm still somewhat stingy with my skills. I only bust them out if the enemy is also using a skill (so I can stun them and prevent its use or block it with Aphotic Cave if I can't) or if I can't take them down in one turn with melee attacks.
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Ouch.
So Gatou is that deep in The Scrappy heap eh?
And you know your pretty badly off when official material doesn't even make fun of you. Sakura may be a literary punching bag, and totally useless for making jokes about, but at least she still is liked overall.
Gatou can't even get a bit of good press from an apparent Heroic Sacrifice. And remember that the game itself constantly emphasizes his stupidity. That's just a lousy hand.
Then again, never underestimate the ability of Fandom to take anything about a character, good or bad and exaggerate it to an incredible level.
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White Berserker was a stupid idea, and no wonder it's disliked.
Gatou has no fanart because he's unpopular. Popular character thrive, the unpopular... don't.
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Well, being Sakura is a sin so at least Gatou is safe in that regard.
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He's safe from being Sakura?
So the "no attack works twice" thing takes about a second to take effect while the revival is instantaneous and, in that time frame, Caliburn managed to kill Berserker seven times.
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