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Well, Aunt Kate may be recruiting sad hooker girl, but yeah, not exactly a lot of positives with this group.

Hacked the fembot factory driving them berserk and nearly getting Milton killed and led to a bunch of fembots getting shut down and dismantled.

Hacked a bunch of weapon Fs that led to a mass slaughter of the things because The Sisterhood apparently didn't care enough about them to have any way of actually getting them out.

Hacked the red light district and faked doxxed the customers there (which I'm STILL convinced was Tats covering his ass in the same vein as it wasn't loaded) which pretty much just ensured the hookers wouldn't be making any money, and probably hurt their future money making ability if only by virtue of no one wanting to go to a brothel where their personal info can be stolen like that.

Pretty much the only undisputed positive thing they did was rescue Lil'E, Tangie, and that drone, and that was still mixed up with the Maverick Hunter fembots. Oh, and free muffins and coffee for women. (But ONLY women. Men get their hands slapped away if they try and take one.)

Heck, by Tats' standards, their treatment of the fembots ALONE should make them a dark shade of grey. Tats is constantly pushing a narrative that has fembots as sympathetic characters, actual women repressed by the patriarchy, and the Sisterhood keep doing things that leads to the Patriarchy slaughtering them en masse. (And the reason the Patriarchy takes such a harsh stance towards them is because of Maverick's actions, who's creation and behavior stems almost ENTIRELY from the Sisterhood.)

edited 28th Jun '17 9:57:19 AM by Metalix

I think this famous quote from Order Of The Stick sums up what the Sisterhood is like "You're not Good, at least not any definition of Good that I would want to follow. You follow the letter of the alignment description while ignoring its intent. Sure, you fight Evil, but when was the last time you showed a "concern for the dignity of sentient beings?" You're just a mean, socially inept bully who hides behind a badge and her holier-than-thou morality as excuses to treat other people like crap". — Roy Greenhilt to Miko Miyazaki.

I would actually wish someone would tell them the exact same thing to the Sisterhood, because they are more like hypocritical bullies that say they are trying to make a better place for women but it's just an excuse to bash or discriminate against men. Unlike how Miko Miyazaki was treated as self-righteous jerkhole, the sisterhood still are treated like they are the Big Good in the series while never doing anything to actually earn that title and they are given Creator's Pet treatment to excruciating levels.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:58:49 AM by firewriter

a much shorter from south park.

"FOR YOU! You're trying to make the world better for You!"

Heck, that's why the Sisterhood if they were treated like an antagonistic force would work better. I was thinking in my rewrite that at first Monique would hang with the Sisterhood believing they are fighting a good cause, until she notices over and over again how they are not really trying to help women but just put men down.

After seeing them for what they really are, Monique gives them an epic "The Reason You Suck" Speech that invokes Roy's speech to Miko. Real Monique would chew them out that they call themselves feminists, but they are anything but that. Alternate Monique after that would dedicate her poetry to actually tackling gender equality and helping women, while calling out faux feminism like the Sisterhood is spreading. Of course, this would make her a prime target of the Sisterhood's disdain for selling out in their eyes.

edited 28th Jun '17 12:31:24 PM by firewriter

I think Monique has long since lost the right to call the Sisterhood out on hypocrisy. From her abandoned relationship with Slick and dysfunctional relationship with Abby to the stuff she rants about on stage, blatant hypocrisy and double standards have been part of her characterization for years now.

This is alternate Monique, and not Faux Monique we have right now. Because I agree with you, she is far too gone as a character. However, alternate Monique's rant against the Sisterhood happens in an AU where the Sisterhood is treated as a group of extremists and Monique never cuts ties with Slick.

@marq I just don't like the "There is a Reality Zone, that makes common sense invalid". I mean if you don't think about it or don't know any better yeah, summoning rain sounds like a great idea. If anything this is showing the issue I have with most of Tats virtue signalling. It 'sounds like' a good idea, but all it is is just smoothing over the issue until a bigger issue breaks out because of it.

Ideology completely aside, I think it would make a much more interesting story structure just from a purely good-writing point of view to have the protagonists and antagonists both self-identifying as pursuing the same goals and just claiming that each other is doing it wrong. Good villains think of themselves as heroes, and great villains ultimately care about the very same ends as the heroes and just pursue them through drastically different means. If Tats wanted to do an interesting story about feminism, having both the heroes and the villains call themselves feminists but go about it in completely different ways (like you suggest) would have been much more interesting than the Straw Feminist brigade vs For the Evulz patriarchy that we got.

I don't want to see the Nation of Islam vs the Klu Klux Klan, where whoever wins, we all lose. I want to see Martin Luther King Jr vs the Black Panthers.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:50:32 PM by Pfhorrest

I think it would make a much more interesting story structure just from a purely good-writing point of view to have the protagonists and antagonists both self-identifying as pursuing the same goals and just claiming that each other is doing it wrong. Good villains think of themselves as heroes, and great villains ultimately care about the very same ends as the heroes and just pursue them through drastically different means.

Did you ever read the first two Little Fuzzy novels by H. Beam Piper? (I'm going from memory here, so minor details may be wrong, but ...) In the first book, a bunch of Good Guys fights an Evil Corporation to save a primitive alien race, and ultimately wins. In the second novel, we see the same events from the other side, a bunch of (mostly) honest and well-intentioned people trying to keep their company afloat in spite of a bunch of crazy eco-fanatics; when they learn the truth about the Fuzzies, they immediately reverse their position and do the right thing. It was partly a case of "if either side had actually listened to the other side, this trouble could have been avoided."

I looked it up, and that book is surprisingly deep and intelligent due to the fact that most children's literature opt for a more Black and White approach. It says something that a children's book can handle a topic like that better than Tats can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fuzzy

@Marq Somebody mentioned that they felt Libby was gonna stumble onto the battlefield and that would cause some sort of drama.

I dunno, I skimmed it, and it was a few pages back.

She's still immobile and barely walking.

Didn't come up with it, just noted it.

I believe Little Fuzzy and the others were originally published as adult-level SF. There's limited violence and no sex, so the most accurate rating might be the Heinlein "young adult" class (but none of the characters are teenagers).

I heartily recommend the first two books by Piper and Tuning's followup novel; I didn't think Piper's third novel in the series was as good as Tuning's book. I haven't read the others, except for Scalzi's novel ... which didn't impress me.

edited 28th Jun '17 11:20:29 PM by Hexapodia

They certainly seem like they would be a good read.

@ Pfhorrest *sniffs* that was beautiful

http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2017-06-29

And more talking trees.

Y'know, if trees could talk I'd imagine most of it would be either mad ramblings or begging for the sweet release of death. Between the eternal immobility, the bugs digging around inside of you, knotholes turning into full fledged holes and so on, a tree's life would be nothing short of eternal misery.

This is invoking some Ferngully type of logic when it comes to trees in that strip.

Tolkien did it best, I think; in Middle Earth, trees are nasty customers who will freaking kill your ass if the Ents aren't around to call them off.

Tolkein is the best.

Those weren't normal trees, those were just more Ents. They don't even leave bodies behind.

These trees aren't exactly talking though, more like wailing or something.

So the rain puts out the fire, and you know what? I don't mind if its not particularly realistic. This simply falls under Artistic License. Also, it is magic rain, so A Wizard Did It. There is even a trope for this exact scenario: Things Are More Effective in Hollywood.

edited 29th Jun '17 2:27:42 AM by Redmess

I only mind because it's another easy cop-out that's only designed to make his female characters show off their powers and/or look good.

Day 1: Oh no, fire! Day 2: Don't worry, my magic's got this! Tats managed to make the tension last a single day!

They could have used spells to escape the fire, perhaps even cast a protection spell on the house that Auntler needed to focus on while the forest burned, or perhaps even acknowledge that Auntler couldn't fix everything at once with her shitty rhymes and asked the Dragon for help. He's a god, he's by that definition alone allowed to have powers like that. And it would fit his earlier characterization of having control over weather.

Using easily accessibly magic to solve all non-magical problems isn't interesting, just a deus ex machina / ass pull / shilling. Pick any combination of those!

Yeah, it seems like the dragon forgot his weather powers, and it would make more sense for him to put out of the fire.

edited 29th Jun '17 9:32:00 AM by firewriter

Actually the dragon would have Wind and Lightning Powers. As well as Spring based powers. Now if Genbu showed up...

On a Unrelated note, I just passed my A+ 901 exam today!

edited 29th Jun '17 11:39:05 AM by yamiblade

Judging by the fact that you use A+, I'm guessing your school is in the UK. 901 I haven't the foggiest idea about. But congratulations on passing nonetheless.

I find myself feeling just incredibly meh about the recent string of comics. Nothing particularly stupid or good worth commenting on. Just more bland, drawn-out nonsense.