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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#551: Sep 30th 2014 at 3:54:08 PM

First chapter of book 3. Kaladin chapter.

He failed to reach home before the everstorm.

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#552: Sep 30th 2014 at 4:28:59 PM

Despite everything that's changed in Roshar, one fact remains constant: it sucks to be Kaladin.

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#553: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:44:39 PM

True fact is true.

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#554: Oct 1st 2014 at 1:35:44 PM

It is likely that (at the very least) the important people are still alive. Not that it is going to make coming home a happy reunion.

edited 1st Oct '14 1:38:21 PM by PanzerGeneral

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#555: Oct 1st 2014 at 1:46:52 PM

I'm so pumped for more Lirin.

edited 1st Oct '14 1:47:32 PM by majoraoftime

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#556: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:00:28 PM

Lirin is awesome. Wonder what's happened to Laral, though. Speaking of, remember how it was mentioned in relation to Ialai that a palindrome name is seen as slightly blasphemous?

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#557: Jan 11th 2015 at 10:36:31 PM

I just read the first chapter. I really hope we get the next Kaladin chapter before Book 3 is out. I also really want to see Lirin. Although if Kaladin's luck holds up, he is likely to be dead.

Although I personally want him to make his way to Uritiru. I mean it's not like the army would turn away a surgeon who is the father of one of the two initial Knight Radiants.

edited 11th Jan '15 10:36:55 PM by 32ndfreeze

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#558: Jan 25th 2015 at 2:14:25 PM

Finished my reread of WOR. Even better the second time around. I littered the thing with highlights and notes — there's just so much to think and theorize about.

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#559: Jan 25th 2015 at 10:32:52 PM

I've just barely gotten into a reread of Way of Kings, but one bit of fridge I had: Kaladin is named after Kalak. That's why Kalak narrated the prologue. I was always wondering, since they have nothing in common (Kalak founded the Willshapers, not the Windrunners). Maybe that was blatantly obvious to everyone else, but I thought it was clever when I finally noticed.

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#560: Jan 26th 2015 at 1:46:16 AM

Huh, that's pretty cool. Would be kind of cool if we get a meeting between the two at some point and they insult each other about their names

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#561: Jan 26th 2015 at 5:48:28 AM

Well, Kaladin is stubborn as all hell.

So, as to recap our Radiants and what we know of them as of the end of WOR:

  • Windrunners: Adhesion and Gravitation, representative is Kaladin, patron is Jezerezeh, spren is honorspren. Chaotic Good / Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right! mentality.
  • Skybreakers: Gravitation and Division, representative Szeth, patron is Nalenelan, spren is likely highspren (although I'm not sure how Nightblood factors into that, especially considering Nale called it a Shardblade). Lawful Neutral / The Unfettered. Rivals with the Windrunners.
  • Dustbringers: Division and Abrasion. Didn't like the name, preferred Releasers. Destructive.
  • Edgedancers: Abrasion and Progression, representative Lift. No clue what type of spren Wyndle is.
  • Truthwatchers: Progression and Illumination, rep Renarin. Can see the future.
  • Lightweavers: Illumination and Transformation, rep Shallan, patron is Shallash, spren is Cryptid (liespren). Apparently they all had some sort of photographic memory.
  • Elsecallers: Transformation and Transportation, rep Jasnah. Good at traversing Shadesmar.
  • Willshapers: Two of Transportation, Cohesion, Tension and Adhesion. No reps. Now if onky we knew what "axial interconnection" means.
  • Stonewardens: Two of the previous. Patron is Talenelat. No reps yet. Stubborn.
  • Bondsmiths: Two of the previous, probably Cohesion and Tension. Rep Dalinar. Spren is "godspren". Only three at a time, probably due to the spren restriction.

    I think that's about all we know. Oh, and we've yet to see where Lopen will fall, assuming he's a full Radiant and not an auxiliary as some of thr bridgemen were mentioned to be. Did I miss anything?

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#562: Jan 26th 2015 at 8:35:14 AM

The current guess is that Lopen will be a Stonewarden, due to the stubbornness thing. And yeah, I'm very curious about how Nightblood will act as a spren for a Skybreaker. I wonder if Vasher basically created an artificial spren back before Warbreaker, so he can do that sort of thing. Or maybe Nale has some ability to step in and manually fix things.

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#563: Jan 26th 2015 at 11:21:31 AM

I think it's more likely that Lopen will be a squire, with just the enhanced strength and healing from Stormlight, rather than a fully-fledged Radiant.

edited 26th Jan '15 11:21:48 AM by JimmyTMalice

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#564: Jan 26th 2015 at 11:56:31 AM

If squires got enough powers to regenerate arms, it's a wonder they didn't steamroll the Voidbringers every desolation.

Thought: I would've thought the Bondsmiths would be under Jezerezeh, what with the leadership and all, but apparently not. Are all the Heralds listed somewhere?

Thought the second: I really wanna see Skybreaker abilities. Considering they appear to combine the Windrunner's Lashings and whatever it is that Dustbringers do that can destroy rocks.

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#565: Jan 26th 2015 at 12:28:05 PM

I wonder what Cohesion and Tension entail. We haven't seen those Surges either.

Edit: Heralds

edited 26th Jan '15 12:29:53 PM by JimmyTMalice

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#566: Jan 26th 2015 at 12:43:45 PM

Ars Arcanum says Weak and Strong Axial Interconnection. Which could be basically anything. Ishar seems the likely Bondsmith candidate, and it looks like they're in order.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:44:51 PM by Ninety

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#567: Jan 26th 2015 at 12:44:49 PM

Oddly, there doesn't seem to be a list of known Herald/Radiant Order connections. So:

  • Windrunners: Jezrien, attributes Protecting and Leading.
  • Skybreakers: Nale, attributes Just and Confident.
  • Dustbringers: Chanarach, attributes Brave and Obedient.
  • Edgedancers: Vedel, attributes Loving and Healing.
  • Truthwatchers: Paliah, attributes Learned and Giving.
  • Lightweavers: Shalash, attributes Creativity and Honesty.
  • Elsecallers: Battar, attributes Wisdom and Care.
  • Willshapers: Kalak, attributes Resolute and Builder.
  • Stonewards: Talenel, attributes Dependable and Resourceful.
  • Bondsmiths: Ishar, attributes Pious and Guiding.

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#568: Jan 26th 2015 at 12:46:40 PM

Man, Sanderson sure loves his Theme Tables.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:46:54 PM by Ninety

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#569: Jan 26th 2015 at 12:48:51 PM

Oh yeah. You'll also note that each Order has one of the Surges of the Order before it. Windrunners have Adhesion and Gravitation, then Skybreakers have Gravitation and Division, Dustbringers Division and Abrasion...

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#570: Jan 26th 2015 at 1:01:19 PM

Yeah, they're in order. I do think that each order has a unique power not shared with either adjacent order, though. Kaladin's sensing the wind and storms, Shallan's photographic memory, and Renarin's foresight are associated to no specific Surge.

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#571: Jan 26th 2015 at 1:12:23 PM

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Here, I theorized that each Order has two Surges plus a third from the interaction, plus the passive ability, but maybe the passive ability is the third "Surge," for lack of a better word.

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#572: Jan 26th 2015 at 1:14:55 PM

I think that's likely. Surges are pretty well defined in-universe as fundamental forces, so it seems unlikely that the interaction between two technically creates a third one, but I do think that there's an unrelated power gained from them. Of course, whether this comes from the interaction of the Surges, the Nahel bond or somewhere else is the question.

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#573: Jan 26th 2015 at 5:19:24 PM

[up]That is also similar to a popular theory about two shards interactions creating another magic system. As in Scadrial with feruchemy.

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#574: Jan 26th 2015 at 5:34:20 PM

Feruchemy is born from the interaction of Ruin and Preservation? Must've missed that.

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MasterGhandalf Since: Jul, 2009
#575: Jan 26th 2015 at 5:50:00 PM

[up]The epigraphs in Hero of Ages point out that allomancy is of Preservation, hemalurgy is of Ruin, and feruchemy is the balance between them.


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