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Valentine Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Dec 2nd 2010 at 9:58:18 AM

A trope about prostitution in wartime with a very non-indicative name. The description says the name is a pun on an Iron Maiden song called "Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter" and "halter top". I don't see that "halter top" is in any way indicative of a prostitute, and "halter" on its own is something for leading animals, and in this context just made me think of bringing horses to war.

The name is completely unrelated to the subject, and the pun doesn't even make sense.

Something simple like Camp Follower (which was an actual term for it) would be fine as a rename.

Opinions or better suggestions?

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#2: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:35:27 AM

Halter made me think of work animals. Slaughter made me think of ... well, animal slaughter. Looks like I lose another round of Guess That Trope....

Puns don't automatically make everything better. The first goal of a trope title is to be clear, not witty.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#3: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:38:54 AM

Question, is this a preexisting term?

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#4: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:42:26 AM

^Definitely not; it's just a pun on an Iron Maiden song title.

From the title alone, I was able to figure out what "Haltar" was supposed to be alright (though I didn't pick up on a prostitution connection), but I wouldn't have guessed that "Slaughter" had to do with "Wartime."

edited 2nd Dec '10 10:44:50 AM by SeanMurrayI

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:45:23 AM

My first thought was of animal halters, too.

Change to Camp Follower (unless someone has a witty name that's actually clear).

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#7: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:54:16 AM

Camp Follower is a long-standing term and the first thing I thought of when I realized what the trope was about. Although to the title's credit I did think of scantily clad female soldiers before cattle.

edited 2nd Dec '10 10:54:37 AM by Shale

Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Dec 2nd 2010 at 11:02:33 AM

I assumed from the title this would be about people picnicking at lynchings and that kind of thing connected to Bread and Circuses.

So, definitely could use a rename.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Dec 2nd 2010 at 11:19:27 AM

Well, I for one have never heard of the Term "Camp Follower." War Camp Prostitute is good enough, and indicative of the trope. Though a pun could work... we just need a pun.

Bring A Whore To The War?

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#11: Dec 2nd 2010 at 11:30:59 AM

Camp Follower for the main name gets my support.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Dec 2nd 2010 at 11:53:20 AM

The only problem I had with Camp Follower is that more than prostitutes followed the war camps, including blacksmiths and other professions that wound up using their services.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#13: Dec 2nd 2010 at 11:58:27 AM

My problem with Camp Follower is that the word "Camp" could be mistaken for an adjective, like in Camp Gay. War Camp Prostitute is a little clearer.

edited 2nd Dec '10 11:58:39 AM by SeanMurrayI

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#15: Dec 2nd 2010 at 12:08:01 PM

I'll acknowledge it as a pre-existing term, but how much can we verify familiarity with the phrase? One troper has already noted that he's never heard it before, and, to be completely honest, neither have I.

The only pre-existing term I'm familiar with to refer to wartime prostitutes is Joy Division, but that's currently being used for something else entirely (and carries many Unfortunate Implications on its own).

edited 2nd Dec '10 12:10:26 PM by SeanMurrayI

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#16: Dec 2nd 2010 at 12:15:01 PM

The main problem with Camp Follower is that it's a broad term that doesn't exclusively refer to prostitutes. Camp followers might be merchants, family members, providers of other services, etc.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#17: Dec 2nd 2010 at 12:28:04 PM

Pre-existing terms take precedence over the naming system we use here, we just add some good redirects. The only question is whether or not the pre existing term is sufficiently restricted.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#18: Dec 2nd 2010 at 12:44:05 PM

The only question is whether or not the pre existing term is sufficiently restricted.

Well, no because the term applies to all civilians who follow encamped armies—not merely just prostitutes.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:21:13 AM

My only problem with Camp Follower is that it implies a medieval setting — I've never seen the term used in a modern context. I'd suggest Military Prostitute or Wartime Whore.

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MoCellMan from Connecticut, USA Since: Jun, 2010
#21: Dec 3rd 2010 at 9:00:33 AM

Military Comfort Woman is an established euphamistic term that I think could work.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
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#23: Dec 3rd 2010 at 9:30:24 AM

Thirded.

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mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
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#24: Dec 3rd 2010 at 9:31:18 AM

[up][up] Heard of that. So it has a certain amount of familiarity. Plus it's definitely more obvious than the current title.

I was thinking of scenes like in Jurassic Park, where the goat is tied up and left to be nommed. Very different thing.

edited 3rd Dec '10 9:31:34 AM by mmysqueeant

Wulfram Since: Sep, 2009
#25: Dec 3rd 2010 at 9:37:23 AM

Comfort woman has an implication of coercion to me

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