Needs Help: Creators Pest

So if just avoiding using characters you don't like from source material or changing them to liking is Armed with Canon as opposed to Creator's Pest, that sounds like argument for formally making Pest only apply to disliking working with them in their works.

If so, I believe the current restriction on non-OC fanwork character should be removed as the new criteria would remove the bashing issue.

It's been nearly a month with no crowner suggestions despite being clocked once.

Other than cutting this part, anything else to suggest?

Yeah, that's more or less what I've been saying all along.

• If you just don't like working with a character, that's Creator's Pest.
• If you actively set out to portray a character that you didn't create in a negative fashion, that's Revenge Fic or Armed with Canon.

IOW, the one can be the reason for the other, but doesn't necessarily lead to it.

Yeah, we just need to tidy up the description a bit, including nuking that paragraph, and do a wick cleaning. Although I'm not sure if we really have consensus on repealing the Fanwork Ban, so that might need to go to a crowner.

This response made while I was editing a mistake.

Edited by StarSword on Mar 17th 2024 at 6:28:02 AM

...if there's consensus. Which there isn't. So we do need a crowner

Crowner suggestions:

• Limit Creator's Pest to disliking working with the character in their works as opposed to disliking them in source material.
• If the above is approved remove the ban on non-OC fan characters.

Any thoughts or other suggestions?

...Isn't the first already an established limitation? Or am I missing something?

First paragraph of the description certainly says as much. We really just need a crowner on the Fanwork Ban.

So this thread is in agreement Creator's Pest only applies to disliking working with the character in their work, not in their source material or removing/changing them in their works.

Who and how do we ask to get a crowner up?

Just holler for a single prop, I guess. I can make crowners but I'm not that comfortable doing it for TRS right now.

And before hollering rephrase into a one or more yes/no questions.

I'm willing to hook a crowner, but what would go on it? I need to what to put on it before making it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2024 at 12:48:07 PM

Whether to allow examples of Creator's Pest in fan works of characters taken from the source material.

Again, that's not formed like a question or an action.

• For Creator's Pest, allow authors of fanworks to express dislike of working on a character originated from the source work, and remove the paragraph with "this does not apply to creators disliking characters from other works" from the trope's description.

OK, crowner hooked.

&Thanks for taking care of the crowner. I admit I kind of lost track of this thread (and I wasn't checking either TRS or hollers after my previous post).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2024 at 5:53:45 AM

Should we let ATT know about this crowner to get more feedback?

If it's not there already.

The crowner isn't going in the direction I've thought the discussion was leaning to.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 26th 2024 at 7:23:17 PM

Can anyone who downvoted the crowner option explain why that is? Cuz I don't get it.

I let ATT know about the crowner.

So it sounds like people say that Creator's Pest is inapplicable when writing derivative works, and I'm not sure why. It's not like a creator hates writing a fanfic but can quit any time, it's when a specific character is causing issues production-wise.

Also fixed a typo.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 26th 2024 at 12:08:55 PM

I downvoted because as a fic writer myself I feel that there's a fundamental difference between having to write someone you hate, and being in full control enough to exclude them if you want to. Nothing in the discussion has convinced me otherwise.

...Also, no. It's not when a character "causes problems production side".

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 26th 2024 at 5:11:41 AM

Do you mean you believe Creator's Pest isn't just disliking working with the character as opposed to disking them in their source material?

That was half of what I made this TRS to sort out, but seems this thread decided on the former and moved onto the fanfic issue.

I believe it should apply to scenarios where the creator either created them or is under obligation to require them, neither of which are true for normal fanfic. Essentially I've believed this whole time that the current restriction is valid.

"Disliking them in their source material" is just disliking a character, and is a different issue altogether.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 26th 2024 at 7:06:50 AM

Seconding War Jay 77's post right above me . I admittedly clocked out of this conversation because I had tremendous difficulty understanding what exactly was the issue OP had been arguing needed addressing in the first place, and their explanations only left me more confused as I felt like they were talking about irrelevant topics that had nothing to do with the actual misuse they claim was occurring with the trope.

I assumed that we were in agreement that Creator's Pest was a matter of a creator's dissatisfaction in working with a character — why we went on this extended tangent about "but what if a fanfic writer just hates a character enough to not bother with them" and making that the paradigm for the crowner eludes me. Again, it seems a majority of use cases of Creator's Pest were done correctly as "Dislikes actively working with the character" to begin with.

Earnestly yeah this thread sort of spun its wheels for a while, many of the issues being discussed being things people weren't actually worried about in the first place.

Now, if people genuinely believe that fanfic should be included, well... great. More power to ya'll. But we really keep getting sidetracked on unrelated questions.