Misused: Ghostwriter

Should this be Trivia because it's about a Real Life phenomenona of the creation / authoring of works and only happens in works because it happens in Real Life?

Along with just being mainly a list of "This character did Ghostwriting", where examples that involve how a character feels about their job can be folded into Fallen-on-Hard-Times Job and such.

Mechanical writing machines probably should go under Extruded Book Product, since artificial writing isn't a trope but a Media / Useful Notes?

And so all the Work examples have their place, leaving Ghostwriter to be trivia and wicked from places like Fallen-on-Hard-Times Job examples?

Opening.

Relevant discussion

Relevant TLP.

This is written and named like it's an occupuation, that also happens in fiction. To be Trivia, it probably needs be split or renamed for Ghostwritten Work as was mentioned before.

I don't see an issue it staying as-is, but there will be a question if "someone is writing for someone without credit" is doing enough as a trope.

Examples that fit Fallen-on-Hard-Times Job or Extruded Book Product can simply go there, but the former isn't inherently relevant.

The Source page has 90 "* " and there's 89 Related pages.

I think the number of on-page examples and use on-wiki are almost the same.

Not a legitimate wick check, of course, but a cursory glance over the wicks showed that most of them concern fictional ghostwriters. Nearly all relating to actual ghostwriters were in Literature/.

Assuming we keep the concept of fictional ghostwriters, this one likely just needs a split.

Should AI-generated content be mentioned in the description?

Probably can be, though it's not really a TRS-action.

Edited by Amonimus on Feb 12th 2024 at 7:23:24 PM

Out of the now 88 wicks, these 28 are not fictional examples:

Then there's the only index, Occupation Tropes.

Edited by Malady on Feb 12th 2024 at 11:34:59 AM

Do you mean there are 61 In-Universe examples?

That too.

So, in that case I'm not sure there's a case to move this. A majority of the use being in-universe makes it a valid trope.

But do the examples have any meaning besides “this character is a Ghostwriter” that cannot simply be folded into Fallen-on-Hard-Times Job?

IDK, none of that has been presented.

On top of my head 1. A kind ghostwriter who writers for the illiterate or disabled 2. Someone who takes jobs from someone who's lazy to write themselves. There's probably a commonality connection is that it's a supportive role and the person seeks no fame for themselves.

Then there's the ghostwriter who does this after the original author(s) pass away such as The Wheel of Time in order to complete it.

I'm still not sure what's being proposed here, especially now that it's known that the majority of the wicks use it for fictional examples. If moving the real life examples to a Trivia page is being proposed, that's a job for TLP, not TRS.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 12th 2024 at 5:48:34 AM

If ya'll think it's fine, then I'm fine with it.

I suggest all Real Life examples go to Trivia, which we need the TLP to craft first.

If the action here is just to remove real life Trivia examples for a Ghostwritten Work item (and also clean up ZCE), the RL removals can be sandboxed and yarded.

Edited by Tabs on Feb 14th 2024 at 4:51:32 AM

I'm just going to close since the clock is running out soon, and what Tabs mentioned doesn't require TRS (Short-Term Projects and TLP could be used for that).