Needs Help: Curtains Match The Window

Note: This thread was proposed by Ayumi-chan.

Curtains Match the Window is about a character with matching hair and eye color. As you can guess, this isn't really tropeworthy. So I did a wick check and here are the results

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• Hair and color are the same + context - (5/58)
• Just having same colored hair and eyes - (42/58)
• Others (ZCE, pothole, misuse etc.) - (11/58)

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Possible Solutions:

1. Disambig the trope and Yard any potential concepts.
2. Make the trope a setting-based one (similar to World of Technicolor Hair)

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Paging ~Ayumi-chan to the thread. I'm leaning toward disambiguation because it seems like this has pretty much the same problem that led to You Gotta Have Blue Hair redirected to Hair Colors, except with mundane colors in addition to unusual ones (at least with brown hair and eyes), even though it's supposed to be limited to unusual ones according to the description (at least one issue with You Gotta Have Blue Hair was that it was bogged down by examples of people with mundane natural hair colors having dyed hair, instead of being limited to people with natural hair colors that are impossible in real life).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 30th 2024 at 8:56:35 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

I don't think we have a trope for color-coordinated characters?

Color-Coded for Your Convenience needs to be checked?

Color Motif says it's work-wide, not for a single character?

Color-Coded Characters doesn't need them to have hair / eyes / clothes coordinated, just being defined by a color doesn't say how pervasive it is in their design.

Edited by Malady on Jan 30th 2024 at 7:02:26 AM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576

I feel like this has gone down a similar route to Four Eyes, Zero Soul as well (which could use its own TRS thread at some point), where the meaning that was conveyed was being taken too literally due to it not really being a "trend" as much as an intuitive "Rule of X" tip-off (IDK if "cool" is the right word here, but it's definitely about appeal/enticing the audience more than it is an aid in storytelling).

to disambiguating.

Amazing Technicolor Population including things like Rubber-Forehead Aliens? Dress-Coded for Your Convenience and Unmoving Plaid might also count.

Silver and gold, silver and gold

A trope related to color coordination could be Yarded or taken to TLP if we don't have it.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

I don't agree that it's chairs? It's not natural to have eye color match the hair color (except if both are brown), so it's a stylistic choice. It's yet another personal appearance trope that is "self-evident" thus the example count, so any other potential ideas will be just as "self-evident".

Making a setting-wide version can work, but I'm not sure how it's be different if it includes more characters.

It is like a downplayed version of Color-Coded Characters though.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 30th 2024 at 9:34:38 PM

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Heck, page quote's Hazel hair and eyes are probably deliberate too, if the color is named so precisely, even though it's a type of brown?

Could we just stick the word Deliberate or something on the trope name so people are forced to explain how it's a design choice for proper trope context?

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576

Sorry for late reply.

Anyways, I think we might yard the "color coordinated based setting" idea since it does seem tropeworthy.

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Matching hair and eye colors might be notable, but what's the inherent meaning?

A "trope" without meaning is People Sit on Chairs, no matter how notable.

Edit: I'd just like to point to this thread, about the concept of psoc, created in response to the controversy in the Does Not Like Shoes thread, which was ultimately renamed and redefined to focus on character having a reason to prefer going barefoot.

Edited by Acebrock on Jan 31st 2024 at 12:49:26 PM

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I've been waiting for this thread. Currently, I'm not for disambiguating. I agree there is inherent meaning in this trope, but what I would argue for is limiting it to unnatural combinations (so basically removing brown hair/eye combo) and I think we should make this restriction explicit because the laconic does say "any color" which would include the mundane brown/brown. Especially in animated media, it's a stylistic choice. And I don't agree with making it setting-wide because then that excludes examples where one or two characters have this appearance as a way to differentiate them from the rest of the cast (similar to anime protagonist hair usually being brightly colored, strangly styled, or both to draw attention to them/mark them as important).

As for meaning, there could be several different meanings, depending on the setting. For example, matching hair/eyes could be a sign of a supernatural or alternate form like in Turning Red. A form of Elemental Powers expression (e.g. lightning powers for a character with yellow hair and eyes), combining multiple tropes to give a short-hand impression of a character's personality (e.g. Yoshino from Date A Live with blue hair and eyes (Shy Blue-Haired Girl + Innocent Blue Eyes)

I do think the description could use some help. It's very short and doesn't really delve into the "why"s of the trope and that is likely one of the reasons the examples suffer. I think if we could hammer that out, that would be the biggest issue tackled.

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors

If we keep this and focus more on unusual hair and eye color combinations (while removing examples with mundane ones), maybe a rename would help because the current name doesn't indicate it's for unusual colors.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 31st 2024 at 5:17:26 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Yeah, that would require a rename since the misuse would remain otherwise.

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Focusing on unusual colors can help, making it similar to Anime Hair in some way.

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Rename could be another helpful tool, though I've no ideas at the moment. If that were the case, then the current name would be disambiguated? I don't think leaving it as a redirect would be the best course of action, because it could end up perpetuating the misuse.

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors

We could probably disambiguate the old name if we rename.

I think I'm now in favor of renaming, cleaning up the description, and removing examples for mundane colors, though I can't think of any name suggestions at the moment.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

to rename

Edited by StalkerGamer on Jan 31st 2024 at 8:46:36 AM

For name, how about Supernatural Color Coordination?

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Well it has nothing to do with supernatural.

It's related tropes are Technicolor Eyes and World of Technicolor Hair, so something like Technicolor Hair Color Match / Technicolor Hair Color Pairing?

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 31st 2024 at 4:51:57 PM

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I was referring to Hello's post about possible trope ideas.

Also (and this an opinion), I personally don't see how much different this would be with You Gotta Have Blue Hair since it is just stating that a character has same color eyes and hair.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 31st 2024 at 8:37:39 PM

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Well, your post doesn't show which post and topic it's replying to, and the only time Hello asked for names is in regard to renaming the current trope.

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This one

I also edited because I don't know how tropeworthy the new idea and possible rename might be.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 31st 2024 at 8:40:19 PM

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For names, maybe Technicolor Curtains Match The Technicolor Window (since the main issue with the current name is that it doesn't make it clear that it's about combinations that are impossible in real life), or we could shorten that to Technicolor Curtains, Technicolor Window. (Yeah, I know a lot of tropes use "Technicolor" to mean unusually colored, but spelling "unusually colored" out would make the name a bit longer, though I suppose we could do that instead.)

Edit: Maybe Technicolor Hair, Technicolor Eyes or Technicolor Eyes, Technicolor Hair; maybe we should add the word "match" or "matching" somewhere as well. Either way, I agree that "supernatural" would be inaccurate because not all of these characters are supernatural.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 31st 2024 at 7:52:51 AM

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I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record at this point but I still can't find anything tropeworthy about the name and definition.

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Kind of a lame name suggestion, but Doing the Technicolor Eye-Salon? Also, if we go the Trope in Aggregate route and expand it to include characters that have Animesque fantasies where they suddenly have matching hair/eye color (which is definitely something I've seen) it might be more tropeworthy, since it provides deliberate contrast to what's "normal" and what isn't.

Silver and gold, silver and gold

That sounds good to me. But after some pondering, I think I found some tropeworthyness to the matching technicolor eye and hair color (being that those colors only exist in fiction and couldn't be applied naturally in real life), hope I'm correct on that.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 31st 2024 at 10:40:49 PM

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